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UC9904 · 09-01-2007, 02:29 PM

"Idiocy? I don't think so. His velocity was up as high as 96 in april when he was in A ball. He got shelved for a couple weeks because of forearm cramps - usually a warning sign that TJ is on the way, case after case of "forearm cramping" is followed up months later by TJ - when he got back on the hill his velocity went from 91 - 94 to 88 - 91 with the occasional flash of 93ish. That isn't a good sign, and to say its idiocy to speculate about a guys arm when his velocity crashes like that isn't a little careless on your part, I think."

Umm, ok. Forearm cramping CAN be a precursor to the eventual necessity of TJ surgery, but as of now the forearm pain has been an isolated incident. In fact, after an extended period of rest and a brief stint of being prohibiting from throwing his cut fastball, Lester has reported no signs of pain. I have no problem with you claiming that your fear is that Lester may in the future be heading towards having TJ surgery, but to say something like "I have the sneaking suspicion he needs TJ surgery" as if there's been more than just the singular warning sign is a tad bit premature in my opinion.

"But he came back to ST in pretty good shape. Gained his weight back well, and his velocity was lagging early in ST, but then it all seemed to be coming back. He was dominating in AAA, and with good velocity. Look at the numbers, his first handful of AAA starts were fantastic, then he got shelved and was barely average against minor leaguers and his velocity fell off the table."

Really? Did Lester tell you personally that he had returned to full health and had regained all/any of his lost weight?

Honestly, I'm not discouting the possibility (however premature it may be) that Lester is on his way to needing TJ surgery. That may be the reason why he has lost some on his fastball. But there are a number (4387438743589598 to be exact) of other reasons as to why his stuff is not where it was a season ago, such as: a) he did not have an actual offseason to workout, b) receiving chemo and other cancer treatments take A LOT out of someone, or c) a combination of the two, etc.

"That isn't reason to speculate about a guys arm health?"

I guess it is. But it isn't reason to try and make it sound like there have been several warning signs indicative of Lester being on his way to needed TJ surgery.

"Sorry, I guess I'm stupid then."

I never said you're stupid.

But your post was.

09-01-2007, 02:29 PM	#453 (permalink)
UC9904 Double A Join Date: Aug 07 2007 Posts: 28	Re: Clay Buchholz "Idiocy? I don't think so. His velocity was up as high as 96 in april when he was in A ball. He got shelved for a couple weeks because of forearm cramps - usually a warning sign that TJ is on the way, case after case of "forearm cramping" is followed up months later by TJ - when he got back on the hill his velocity went from 91 - 94 to 88 - 91 with the occasional flash of 93ish. That isn't a good sign, and to say its idiocy to speculate about a guys arm when his velocity crashes like that isn't a little careless on your part, I think." Umm, ok. Forearm cramping CAN be a precursor to the eventual necessity of TJ surgery, but as of now the forearm pain has been an isolated incident. In fact, after an extended period of rest and a brief stint of being prohibiting from throwing his cut fastball, Lester has reported no signs of pain. I have no problem with you claiming that your fear is that Lester may in the future be heading towards having TJ surgery, but to say something like "I have the sneaking suspicion he needs TJ surgery" as if there's been more than just the singular warning sign is a tad bit premature in my opinion. "But he came back to ST in pretty good shape. Gained his weight back well, and his velocity was lagging early in ST, but then it all seemed to be coming back. He was dominating in AAA, and with good velocity. Look at the numbers, his first handful of AAA starts were fantastic, then he got shelved and was barely average against minor leaguers and his velocity fell off the table." Really? Did Lester tell you personally that he had returned to full health and had regained all/any of his lost weight? Honestly, I'm not discouting the possibility (however premature it may be) that Lester is on his way to needing TJ surgery. That may be the reason why he has lost some on his fastball. But there are a number (4387438743589598 to be exact) of other reasons as to why his stuff is not where it was a season ago, such as: a) he did not have an actual offseason to workout, b) receiving chemo and other cancer treatments take A LOT out of someone, or c) a combination of the two, etc. "That isn't reason to speculate about a guys arm health?" I guess it is. But it isn't reason to try and make it sound like there have been several warning signs indicative of Lester being on his way to needed TJ surgery. "Sorry, I guess I'm stupid then." I never said you're stupid. But your post was.