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For one, Gibbs' struggle to adjust to the modern-day NFL hurts is legacy enough to drop him below the ranks of Walsh and company. Part of what makes great coaches great is an ability to adjust, no? I understand Daniel Snyder sucks at assembling teams, but the Skins ain't even been close.

I got the '84 49ers beating the Giants 31-10 in the regular season beating the Giants 21-10 in the postseason.

'85 is correct, but that was a 10-6 49ers team... hardly his best -- Jerry Rice's rookie year and as I understand it, the 49ers racked up more yardage than the Giants in that game... just couldn't cash in.

'87 the 49ers beat the Giants 41-21 in the regular season (I think it's obvious that BB had Walsh's number in that one), and the 49ers lost to the Vikings in the first round of the playoffs.

These are Walsh's point totals against the Giants from 1984 to 1988, his last year as head coach.

31, 21, 3, 17, 41, 20

edit: missed a year, there was another 3, and a 17 in there.

17 points a game is Bill Walsh getting shut down by Belichick? Walsh torched him as many times as Belichick shut him down. They were 10-5-1 the year they lost 49-3, so it wasn't one of his best teams to begin with, and they lost Montana in the second quarter -- not to say the game would've been close but I'm sure they'd have managed more than 3 points.

My point is, Crunchy... what in the hell are you talking about?! Aside from one game, I have Walsh doing extremely well against Belichick's defenses. And Seifert's 49ers went on to scorch the Giants defense the next year. And by the way, those 49ers teams had some great defenses ever. And I dare say that those 49ers Super Bowl teams would beat Belichick's Super Bowl teams pretty handily. Clutch kicker ain't worth shit when you're down by three scores.

How about the fact that the Patriots missed the playoffs following their first Super Bowl?