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Old 01-12-2008, 08:14 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Default Re: Iowa and the road to the Whitehouse

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Originally Posted by a700hitter View Post
I don't think there is an unlimited supply of fossil fuels, but clearly there was well in excess of 10 years, and more oil is used today than 35 years ago. The oceans aren't dead yet either more than 20 years later, so yeah color me skeptical about the timeline and the supposed urgency. The earth has experienced climate change before man walked the earth and it will continue to change regardless of anything man does. Global climate changes are slow and gradual, and I like the warm weather. Who the hell wants to live in Green Bay. What is the catastrophe that we are fearing from the warmer climate... melanoma?
How about famine in Africa and central Asia?

I hear you man, I was with you probably 5 years ago. I was really hoping that there were just big, lumbering, natural cycles coming and going that were too hard for us to see clearly. I thought it will just warm up a bit, but in 10 generations my grandchild would be preparing for an ice age.

While I don't doubt that there are big cycles at play, the logic and the evidence is too easy to understand. You don't need to simply look at the rate of decline of the solid frozen ice throughout the world, nor the rising temperature of the ocean. You simply have to think about it as a closed system within which we have been pumping CO2.

Comparison between CO2 production then and now:

Here's a link, available from EPA:

http://cdiac.esd.ornl.gov/trends/emis/glo.htm

Notice those graphs. Global CO2 production has skyrocketed following WWII. Furthermore, we have kept the same high per-capita CO2 usage (globally) despite having doubled our global population.

You are skeptical of fast global changes, yet in your lifetime we have more than doubled the population of the world. Make of it what you will, but I call that a fast global change.

That's a MASSIVE amount of shit pouring into the atmosphere as if it is an open systen, which it is not.

EDIT: sorry for all the editing, but I could'nt leave it as it was.
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