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I say the defense was worse but that Colts team still destroyed some teams. 41-9 over Detroit on Thanksgiving where they shut it down after three quarters, 41-10 over Oakland, where they again shut it down early. 49-14 over Houston, 35-14 over Houston... none of these games did Peyton Manning throw a fourth quarter TD. Not to mention Peyton played only a single series in the season finale against Denver, Tom Brady played the entire game. The defense argument also was more or less made against the fact that Tom Brady has more wins this year than Manning did in 2004. Not Manning's fault. However, couldn't Manning's 2 extra INT's be because he made more high-pressure throws? You don't really have to force the ball when you're beating the Redskins by five TD's -- not so much the case when you're tied in the fourth quarter. Since when are garbage time TD's as impressive as close game TV's?

Interesting that you should ask which rates are more preferable because QB rating takes just those into affect. And Manning's 2004 rating was higher than Brady's this year. Given the 81 or whatever more attempts, he'd have shattered Brady's numbers.

I'd like to remind everyone that I'm on record as saying they're equally impressive, and I'd agree a difference is negligible.

And since I brought up the fact that Peyton Manning sat out week 17 against the Broncos... I'd like to remind everyone how Peyton Manning tends to do against my Broncos. He threw four TD's against them two weeks later.

I'd also remind everyone of how large a role Peyton Manning plays in playcalling.