[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by Gom

These guys are unproven and therefore cannot be seen as viable options

exactly the kind of attitude I expected out of you. Live for now, fuck tomorrow.

Jacko. Listen, my Yankee friend, our farm system has been shit. We had a dry spell for nine years. We got lucky in the draft and got Joba and Kennedy. Hughes was a no-brainer. Cashman is a terrible judge of pitching talent.

So the fact that our system has the best young pitching talent happened by accident?

We don't know about the kids yet, and that was all Oppenheimer anyways.

that was not all anybody. That was a joint effort between Cashman, Oppenheimer, Newman, Contreras, Eiland and a bunch of other people who made it happen.

Under Cashman's reign, we've had Weaver, Vazquez, Brown, Randy Johnson, and the return of the Rocket. Let's not forget his collassal error in choosing Pavano over Pedro

The collosal error was choosing Pavano period. Getting Petey would have been a collosal error as well. 15 mil to see him miss 2 of 4 seasons.

, and his decision to let Santana go to the Mets for Kennedy, Cabrera, and a bar of soap. Last year he underbid for Matsuzaka, and overpaid for Igawa.

We dont know what was actually offered for Santana. Speculation abounds. If it involved Hughes at all, I am glad we passed. In terms of Igawa, no qualms there. But in terms of DMats, he bid 35 mil, which is a mighty fine sum just to talk to someone. He just didnt know what lengths the sox would go to get him.

Ted Lilly wanted to come back to the Yankees, pitches well against the Red Sox. We got Igawa. Lilly had a 3.83 ERA with a 1.14 WHIP. They would have cost about the same, but due to Lilly's salary instead of the posting fee, it would have been a small increase. So he saves money, and we get Igawa...he of the 6.25 ERA and the 1.67 WHIP. Lets not forget that Lilly threw over 200 IP.

Choosing Igawa over Lilly was a mistake. That is not debatable.

Instead, we watched the Red Sox hit 4 consecutive homers against Wright...and the bad pitching stories go on and on and on. His positives have been Moose. That's it. The likely fact is that most of these guys will not have successful major league careers.

A. Wright was brought up too soon
B. He isnt even one of our top 15 pitching prospects.
C. He was on the 40 man, so he was the easy choice to start
D. You'll next see him as a reliever in the Bronx

Marquez is a junkballer.

Stop talking out of your ass. I have seen the Trenton team on multiple occasions last summer. Marquez throws low to mid 90s.

Sanchez is an injury risk, so is Brackman, and so is Horne. Now, they may all pan out. How often does that happen? You're talking like these guys can come in now and be serviceable major league pitchers. Our rotation is as suspect as it's been in years. Hell, last year, going into spring training, our rotation was more stable.

So going with young stud pitchers who have had success in their limited debuts is worse than going with middle of the road MLB veterans? Sanchez, Brackman and Horne are all injury risks as much as Mariano Rivera is. Its TJ surgery, everyone is having it. 90+% success rate. None of them have had any other significant injury history.

I've said this before, stop reading the press clippings. The Yankees pitching is much, much weaker than you'd like to believe, and our GM is the most overpaid and overrated GM in the game. That's one thing he and his managing lackey, Torre, have in common.

I stray from the press clippings and go right to the source. I also subscribe to a few sites to get some more in depth information and have seen a fair amount of these players play. I'll tell you what. The majority of the major press issues are off by a long shot. The ESPN guys like Keith Law are going off scouting reports dated 3-4 yrs back. Most of them have never seen the players they are condemning. Either way. As usual, you will trash every one of them until they hit the bigs and then you'll be their biggest fan when they make it. I understand that not all of them will, but the stock that we have now is something we havent had in a long long time.