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Originally Posted by rican blast

Does anyone really think we even need Canseco's book before we can identify suspected PED use? Doesn't anyone see how these guys physiques change over short periods of time, how some go from 15-20 HRs up to 30-40HRs in the blionk of an eye, then fall apart physically?

Does Ortiz fit that description? I think he does...

I recall a HS quarterback who bought $900 of juice one day, went from about 170 lbs to 200 ripped in 6 months, won all-league honors...also punched his girl in the face, got arrested several times but was somehow the toast of the town. Everyone in the gym knew he was using, by watching him change. This was a HS kid, with limited $$$ and not nearly as much to gain as a pro athlete.

I'm not trying to debate anything said in your post, which I thought was very enlightening, but how can you say a High School kid has less to gain than a pro athlete. I would think it the other way around. The pro's already have a contract and are making money on a big stage. The HS kid is trying to get noticed by scouts and make a future for himself. I think that he would have more to gain, if not just as much.