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Originally Posted by TheKilo

Cocaine is a hell of a drug, but you can't defend your posts without getting riled up and start dishing out "insults".

If you say something like David Ortiz used steroids, back it up with more than "he started hitting bombs in Boston." This completely disregards thinks like organizational approaches to hitting, consistent playing time, new coaches and hitting backdrops, etc.

Can you explain to me why ARod should be immune from the steroid discussion if Ortiz is a part of it?

I made Ortiz a part of it because A-Rod was thrown into it. I make a point to never throw anyone into steroid discussions because we simply don't know. It was so wide-spread that it's not fair to speculate on just a few players. But when you guys are gonna throw A-Rod, probably one of the two or three most gifted players of all time, under the steroid bus I'm gonna have to do the same. Why take exception to me throwing Ortiz out there if you guys are gonna claim A-Rod used. And forgive me for not being crystal clear and explaining all points of suspicion regarding Ortiz, I didn't feel it was necessary as it has all been said many times before. Change in size, change in production, blah, blah, etc. Must I go on?

Originally Posted by Crespo Blows

This is a hasty generalization.

Well forgive me. I'm not at work or in class when I post here so my need to be precise and unambiguous and thoroughly explain my thought process dwindles in my eyes. I do enough of that on a daily basis that sometimes when I'm home I like to relax, allow my mind to drift, and just bullshit a little online. I didn't realize the standards of postong on talksox.com were so high, I feel like it's a fucking job.

No, it was because what you said was biased, and stupid.

biased towards what? what bias could I possibly have in making the point that some players you can clearly tell took steroids?









All I did was say that you can look back at some revealed PED users and see it in their physique. Not all, but some. Those who used enough of it for long enough you can tell. Why not take issue with rican blast for saying he saw people on it all the time when he worked in a gym? I doubt he actually saw them inject themselves, but he could tell by looking at their physique. I don't have the energy or the picture resources to find a bunch of very revealing photos of players with bulging veins that make it obvious, but I tried to give you an idea of what I was saying. Had I not limited my pictures to baseball players I could have made my point even more so with some football players. Point is though, that I don't see why you guys take such exception to me pointing out that some players were obvious offenders, and you can tell this by looking at some of their bodies. Maybe because I didn't specify that I was only referring to some players and not every single steroid injecting motherfucking one of them. But I think it has more to do with the fact that I'm a diehard Yankee fan who wears his fanhood on his sleeve and most of you guys don't like that. The fact that I love baseball and my favorite team as I did when I was a child, and I let it shine through and allow myself to become enamored by it all seems to offend some people. My love of baseball is all I have left of my childhood, so if my displayed approach and insight into the game offends or bothers some of you, then sorry, but go whistle. I'm not an idiot, I'm not delusional, I know how things work , I know how to be objective and think things through, but that doesn't mean I have to lay all of that out here. This is supposed to be a place to just come and lay your cards down, shoot the shit, and enjoy the company of other baseball fans, all be it mainly Red Sox fans . But some of you gusy take this shit way too fucking seriously. Maybe you're like this to me and some of my fellow Yankee fans because of all the pent up rage and frustration from all the years you've had to endure taking shit from Yankee fans like myself, and you feel the need to return the favors while your team is on top (not for long) and you have the opportunity. So by all means, let it out. It won't last long.