PEDitte Admits to Using HGH

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

In regards to Pettitte thought, I feel almost compelled to believe him. You guys can all say what you want, but I think he is sincerely telling the truth.

That's fucking laughable. He had several options:

(1) Deny any and all allegations
(2) Come completely clean
(3) Offer a semi-"confession" indicating how he was doing it on a limited basis, to recover from injury so that he could get back as quickly as possible for the benefit of the team.

What a crock of shit, but hell, some people will buy it, and it sort of sounds like he's contrite., right? Wrong.

"If what I did was an error of judgement...I accept responsibility for those 2 days" Weak and pathetic.

I've said over and over, I don't care what the hell these guys put in their bodies and I remain convinced that well over 50% use PEDs.

These guys are not my heroes, They're not my idols, They're not my friends.
They're records and stats don't mean shit to me.
They're physically talented guys blessed with the tools necessary to play a kid's game, a game many of us would play for a fraction of the $ they make if we could, and as such I don't care if they all shit their fucking livers out tomorrow from what they've used. But this fucking pathetic spin makes me sick.

Name on front. That's what ultimately I root for...name on front.

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by a700hitter

Pettitte spins before Roger. They will whine that they only took it to get over injuries. They'll whine that they only took it a few times. They got caught. They are cheaters, and they have to spin, because after their playing days are over, the only asset they have is their names. Clemens and Pettitte's names are permanently stained. They can swear on bibles that they sat on the needles by mistake, but they are still sullied. Too bad for the Whore and the Hypocrite. What about the other 10 Yankee champions. They didn't inhale either. Cheaters! Their championship banners should have syringes embroidered on them.

I see a new slogan for the '96, '98-2000 Champs: "Champion Cheaters of the Steroid Era." The fans can be proud. Give the team a monument for Monument Park.

and no sox from the 04 or 07 teams ever tried roids? So once the evidence comes out in the next 5-10 yrs, we can retroactively put syringes on those as well. Thats just stupid. Funny thing is, Clemens wasnt even that big of a part of our 98-00 run. His best yr was in 01 when we lost. And Pettitte tried his after our run. Then we got Giambi too.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by rician blast

But this fucking pathetic spin makes me sick.

Name on front. That's what ultimately I root for...name on front.

Agreed. I believe that I predicted such whiny spin in the "Spin" thread.

[yeszir]

Originally Posted by He Hate Me

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WHERE THE SHIT ARE THE SPOILER TAGS DAMMIT! I HAVENT SEEN IT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

and no sox from the 04 or 07 teams ever tried roids? So once the evidence comes out in the next 5-10 yrs, we can retroactively put syringes on those as well. Thats just stupid. Funny thing is, Clemens wasnt even that big of a part of our 98-00 run. His best yr was in 01 when we lost. And Pettitte tried his after our run. Then we got Giambi too.

Jacks, of course Sox players have and still do use PEDs. That's not the issue here.

Many of us have said we suspected Foulke, Kapler, Nixon, Tek, Nomar, Damon etc. I have suspicions about others including Youk, maybe Manny and Ortiz too.

And if and when Sox players are implicated and offer up such weak, pathetic defenses despite the evidence against them, we'll compare Sox fans reactions to Yankee fans reactions. I, for one, wouldn't believe any of their excuses...it doesn't matter who they play for. I do not, though, believe a WS championship can be considered tainted because players got caught..simply because the competition was using as well.

With the $ implications and the egos involved, major sports athletes are always going to look for an edge and those who believe their ridiculous denials are only fooling themselves.

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

If you want to get technical though, Andy never cheated. HGH was not against the rules in 2002, when he tried it twice while on the DL. So not only was he not active, he wasn't breaking any rules. Go fall off the Throgs Neck.

Fantastic.

There seems to be some disconnect as to what people actually think of the Mitchell Report. many seem to think it's the definitive list of who used previously. In my opinion, it was a report to discuss the state of the game and how big a role steroids/HGH played in it. Mitchell even suggested those on the list not be punished unless the crime was egregious enough to destroy the integrity of the game.

People are reading too much into this. It's becoming more and more accurate, but it isn't punitive in any way shape or form.

Like I said in the other thread, the evidence against Clemens continues to grow.

[jacksonianmarch]

but Pettitte isnt denying it. Clemens is. As I have said before, I liked having Clemens on the team, but he is nothing but a mercenary and as a mercenary, there is no love lost on this guy and I would absolutely expect him to be a guy to use and continue to use PEDs. OTOH, Pettitte has been a standup guy throughout his career. And I for one actually do believe he used HGH for a short while. He knew he'd get crucified if he admitted anything regardless. He could have just denied it. Also, his admission throws Roger under the bus. And, the evidence points towards a single incident as well.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

and no sox from the 04 or 07 teams ever tried roids? So once the evidence comes out in the next 5-10 yrs, we can retroactively put syringes on those as well. Thats just stupid. Funny thing is, Clemens wasnt even that big of a part of our 98-00 run. His best yr was in 01 when we lost. And Pettitte tried his after our run. Then we got Giambi too.

Jackson, the funny thing about Federal investigations is that it has a way of changing behavior that is being investigated. I'll bet scores of guys went off the juice when BALCO went down. That's why Giambi, Brown and Sosa (DL'ed from a sneeze) were experiencing withdrawal You are a Doc. You know the terrible side effects that can occur from weaning off too fast. I don't think we are going to hear much about post 2003 usage precisely because the Feds were prosecuting people. Daylight is the greatest disinfectant.

As for Clemens not being a major part of your 98-2000 run, that is revisionist history for sure. Maybe they'll preserve the Yankee clubhouse/crack den as a historical reminder of this sordid time in Baseball history.

[cam780]

I don't like the statement because of the "if" if what i did was against better judgement ... it was . take the if away just say you did it and you get a pass. its kind of a squirrelly apology. Just like Rodney's for that matter like Kilo pointed out.

As far as Clemens goes, the Sox can't take him back now. I would think it would also be a stretch for Astros to let him on the field.

With that being said, I don't think it tarnishes what the Yanks did. They had a bunch of juicers in a league full of them. Its just like Barry Bonds. He was juiced when he hit the homers but some of the pitchers that gave some up to him were too. Its also important to remember that HGH is still undetectable so there is no real way to determine how many players actually used or are using. It just so happens that the guys that spilled the beans worked in NY and Cali. If the pharmacy was located in Cambridge, I'd bet we'd be seeing a lot more Red Sox names.

I also think it will be interesting when Pettite pitches in Fenway next year. Think we may see some syringes?

[jacksonianmarch]

or maybe they will continue to look at them as they should, the last real baseball dynasty. Which they likely will be, unless you guys get Santana.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

or maybe they will continue to look at them as they should, the last real baseball dynasty.

.. in an unprecedented era of cheating, they were the best of the cheaters.

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

Fantastic.

There seems to be some disconnect as to what people actually think of the Mitchell Report. many seem to think it's the definitive list of who used previously. In my opinion, it was a report to discuss the state of the game and how big a role steroids/HGH played in it. Mitchell even suggested those on the list not be punished unless the crime was egregious enough to destroy the integrity of the game.

People are reading too much into this. It's becoming more and more accurate, but it isn't punitive in any way shape or form.

Like I said in the other thread, the evidence against Clemens continues to grow.

Where did I say it was a definitive report? I've taken the same stance as you since it was released. Go back to the Mitchell thread, which I started and posted in frequently, and find a place where I said that. I challenge you to do so.

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

OTOH, Pettitte has been a standup guy throughout his career.

Man was a fucking sunday school teacher at one point, for christ's sake. His reputation, and the fact that he's always been admirable and sincere are the main reasons I believe him.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

Where did I say it was a definitive report? I've taken the same stance as you since it was released. Go back to the Mitchell thread, which I started and posted in frequently, and find a place where I said that. I challenge you to do so.


Man was a fucking sunday school teacher at one point, for christ's sake. His reputation, and the fact that he's always been admirable and sincere are the main reasons I believe him.

...and men of God have never been publicly exposed as being bad people?

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by a700hitter

...and men of God have never been publicly exposed as being bad people?

lol dont take what I said and spin it, thats not what I said at all. There's a big difference between a priest sexually abusing little innocent 8 year old boys and a former sunday school teacher/Major League pitching star trying HGH TWICE to assist in injury recovery.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

lol dont take what I said and spin it, thats not what I said at all. There's a big difference between a priest sexually abusing little innocent 8 year old boys and a former sunday school teacher/Major League pitching star trying HGH TWICE to assist in injury recovery.

There is no comparison between the two situations, but men of God are human and they sin like the rest of us. Just because he is not molesting kids doesn't mean that he isn't a lying cheat.