PEDitte Admits to Using HGH

[a700hitter]

If Pettitte is such a reputable guy, why did he decide to come back to pitch in NY and leave his family behind in Texas? I thought he wanted to be close to his family. Did he come back to serve the humanitarian purpose of helping the Yankees and their fans to World Championship #27-- sorry I meant #23?

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by a700hitter

There is no comparison between the two situations, but men of God are human and they sin like the rest of us. Just because he is not molesting kids doesn't mean that he isn't a lying cheat.

I thouth that thats what u were getting at making the statement regarding men of god. my mistake.

Say what you want, but I dont think Pettitte is lying, and he's not a cheater. Please point out what rule he broke.

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

Where did I say it was a definitive report? I've taken the same stance as you since it was released. Go back to the Mitchell thread, which I started and posted in frequently, and find a place where I said that. I challenge you to do so.

I quoted you because of what you said, not that I was singling you out for what I said later in my post. My apologies for any misunderstanding.

If Pettitte is such a man of honor, why couldn't he be as up front as a guy like FP Santangelo was?

In an emotional two-hour radio appearance, the seven-year major league veteran, who last played with the Oakland A's in 2001, confessed to using human growth hormone, explained how and why he did it and publicly apologized to his two kids, his ex-wife, his parents and listeners. He talked about the difficulty he had in explaining it all to his children, and the concern he had that his son, F.P. Jr., would be teased Friday in middle school.

Santangelo absorbed it all, telling listeners, "I made this bed and now I have to lie in it."

After the show, he received numerous phone calls from media outlets eager to make him into some sort of hero for telling the truth. It's a role he says he's entirely uncomfortable with.

"I don't want to be this out-front crusader guy," Santangelo told ESPN.com. "I did something absolutely wrong. I shouldn't be made a hero. I made a bad decision against everything I believe.

"I admitted it and I faced the music. And if by me being embarrassed helps generations to come not have to make the difficult decisions that I had to make, then it's good that this all came out. But I don't want to be Mr. Public Speaker and go talk to every high school in the world. Through my radio show, I just hope to get the word out about how bad this stuff is."

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

I thouth that thats what u were getting at making the statement regarding men of god. my mistake.

Say what you want, but I dont think Pettitte is lying, and he's not a cheater. Please point out what rule he broke.

Was the HGH obtained legally? Although not substance that was part of the ML testing program at the time, was it approved for usage or treament by MLB at the time?

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

I thouth that thats what u were getting at making the statement regarding men of god. my mistake.

Say what you want, but I dont think Pettitte is lying, and he's not a cheater. Please point out what rule he broke.

How does the Kool-Aid taste?

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

How does the Kool-Aid taste?

The Kool-Aid made famous by another man of God-- Rev. Jim Jones.

[One Red Seat]

Originally Posted by a700hitter

Was the HGH obtained legally? Although not substance that was part of the ML testing program at the time, was it approved for usage or treament by MLB at the time?

This is the same line of defense he and "Word" nitwit used about Giambi/Sheffield. Is it too hard to read the effing report? MLB banned the use of controlled substances w/o prescription decades ago and specifically included steroids to that in '91.

Add I love the "man of God" bit. Wasn't the main reason he high-tailed it back to Texas because he couldn't keep the snake in the cage? I guess he glossed over the adultry stuff when teaching the tots how to be good Christians.

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by One Red Seat

This is the same line of defense he and "Word" nitwit used about Giambi/Sheffield. Is it too hard to read the effing report? MLB banned the use of controlled substances w/o prescription decades ago and specifically included steroids to that in '91.

Add I love the "man of God" bit. Wasn't the main reason he high-tailed it back to Texas because he couldn't keep the snake in the cage? I guess he glossed over the adultry stuff when teaching the tots how to be good Christians.

Really? I never heard anything about Pettitte and cheating. What do you know?

..as for it being hard to read the report, the answer is yes. I did nt sit there and completely read 409 pages. I've only read between 100-200 pages of it. If YOU did indeed read the entire thing, kudos my man.

I know it's a longshot, but how do we know that Andy didn't get a prescription? None of us have access to his medical records.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

I know it's a longshot, but how do we know that Andy didn't get a prescription? None of us have access to his medical records.

If he had a prescription from a doctor, why would he need he trainer. I think an MD could administer the shots.

[One Red Seat]

It's pretty easy, he wouldn't be in the report if he had a prescription. HGH isn't prescribed to aid in the healing process. It's typically only prescribed for people with an HGH deficiency.

I don't "know" anything. I just remember some of the press around the time he left suggested his wife wanted him closer to home because Andy had an affinity for NY nightlife and the ladies. Could be true, could be speculation, but it's there.

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

I know it's a longshot, but how do we know that Andy didn't get a prescription? None of us have access to his medical records.

You acknowledge it's a longshot and yet still argue in favor of this position. Kudos, sir.

[Jayhawk Bill]

The 1990 Act also amended 21 U.S.C. § 333(e)(1) to explicitly criminalize as a five-year felony the distribution and possession, with intent to distribute, of human growth hormone "for any use . . . other than the treatment of a disease or other recognized medical condition, where such use has been authorized by the Secretary of Human Services . . . and pursuant to the order of a physician . . . ."[FN6] Pub.L. No. 101-647, title XIX, § 1904 (codified at 21 U.S.C. § 333(e)(1) (1992)).

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia...4/civ00019.htm

The Secretary of Human Services has not approved hGH for treatment of elbow injuries. Pettitte's actions were illegal.

Uniform Player's Contract, incorporated explicitly as a part of the Basic Agreement:

3.(a) The Player agrees to perform his services hereunder diligently
and faithfully, to keep himself in first-class physical condition and to
obey the Club’s training rules, and pledges himself to the American
public and to the Club to conform to high standards of personal conduct,
fair play and good sportsmanship.

Use of illegal hGH breaches Article 3.(a) of any MLB player's contract, including Andy Pettitte's.

Pettitte's actions were wrong. Furthermore, his statement that hGH use was permitted is wrong: its explicit inclusion in 2005 prohibited its scheduled use, but the Basic Agreement already [s]permitted[/s] prohibited its illegal use.

[One Red Seat]

I think we should cut 26 and 2212 some slack. No offense to them, but they are just kids. I realize they are either college age or just about there, but that's close enough. They haven't matured enough to become cynical enough to stop viewing these guys as their "heros", so it's got to be pretty tough for them because this is probably the first step in the process of getting there. Given enough time, they'll get to the point where nothing about their former "heros" will surprise them and they won't waste time trying to defend them. Jacko, he's a lost cause (I kid, I kid).

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

You acknowledge it's a longshot and yet still argue in favor of this position. Kudos, sir.

I wasn't arguing in favor of anything, just throwing it out there.

Look guys, I know what he, and the other 80-something players on that list did was wrong. There's no denying that. But why do we have to crucify them? Countless other players were doing the same. When a prominent Red Sox player is revealed to have used something, I hope you guys are as adament about persecuting them as you are with these players, especially the Yankees named (not refferring to you all, as a lot of us here have responded logically to the findings in the report, but when it comes to 700 and kilo in particular, grow up guys. This isn't about Red Sox vs Yankees, it's about baseball, the game that we all love. What has transpired in the past few days, and even before that is arguably the worst thing to ever happen to the game, and we need to try to get past it all).

[One Red Seat]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Bill

http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia...4/civ00019.htm

The Secretary of Human Services has not approved hGH for treatment of elbow injuries. Pettitte's actions were illegal.

Uniform Player's Contract, incorporated explicitly as a part of the Basic Agreement:



Use of illegal hGH breaches Article 3.(a) of any MLB player's contract, including Andy Pettitte's.

Pettitte's actions were wrong. Furthermore, his statement that hGH use was permitted is wrong: its explicit inclusion in 2005 prohibited its scheduled use, but the Basic Agreement already prohibited? its illegal use.