PEDitte Admits to Using HGH

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

I wasn't arguing in favor of anything, just throwing it out there.

Look guys, I know what he, and the other 80-something players on that list did was wrong. There's no denying that. But why do we have to crucify them? Countless other players were doing the same. When a prominent Red Sox player is revealed to have used something, I hope you guys are as adament about persecuting them as you are with these players, especially the Yankees names.

For the record, I haven't recommended persecuting, prosecuting. or otherwise punishing any player, excepting those whose actions involving PEDs are in violation of the Basic Agreement.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by One Red Seat

I think we should cut 26 and 2212 some slack. No offense to them, but they are just kids. I realize they are either college age or just about there, but that's close enough. They haven't matured enough to become cynical enough to stop viewing these guys as their "heros", so it's got to be pretty tough for them because this is probably the first step in the process of getting there. Given enough time, they'll get to the point where nothing about their former "heros" will surprise them and they won't waste time trying to defend them. Jacko, he's a lost cause (I kid, I kid).

It's the end of whatever remained of innocence for MLB.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

I wasn't arguing in favor of anything, just throwing it out there.

Look guys, I know what he, and the other 80-something players on that list did was wrong. There's no denying that. But why do we have to crucify them?

Don't cry for these guys. Clemens made a fortune in his twighlight years with the help of this stuff. Pettitte has made himself a pretty penny in the last few years too. They got caught, and their future earnig ability has been irrevocably damaged. I don't feel sorry for them.

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

Countless other players were doing the same. When a prominent Red Sox player is revealed to have used something, I hope you guys are as adament about persecuting them as you are with these players, especially the Yankees named...

I'll leave that to the Yankee fans, but don't look for me to defend those players or believe their spin. I always liked Mo Vaughn, but I couldn't care less about his excuses and stories.

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

... but when it comes to 700 and kilo in particular, grow up guys. This isn't about Red Sox vs Yankees, it's about baseball, the game that we all love. What has transpired in the past few days, and even before that is arguably the worst thing to ever happen to the game, and we need to try to get past it all).

For me, it is always about Yankees-Red Sox. It always has been. I'm not worried about the game of baseball. If you haven't noticed, attendance is up each year and I don't think attendance will suffer in 2008 as a result of this report. It's an unfortunate coincidence for Yankee fans that their team dominated during this disgraceful era and that they apparently were chief particpants in the cheating. For Red Sox fans, bad news for the Yankees is music to our ears. It's the most wonderful time of the year.

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

He knew he'd get crucified if he admitted anything regardless. He could have just denied it. Also, his admission throws Roger under the bus. And, the evidence points towards a single incident as well.

The extent of the evidence is what he based his "story" on. If the evidence would have implicated him in 10 incidents he'd have said "those were the only 10."

WHat I find funny is that if he took HGH to help heal, did he honestly think that one or two injections were going to do the trick? Wouldn't he have taken injections over a period of time? That in itself, IMO, weakens his story.

[riverside sluggers]

Originally Posted by He Hate Me

wow...PLEASE SIGN HIM BOSTON!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/1...s-may-not.html

the guy who runs mlb trade rumors believes the opportunity could grow larger if the Sox lose out on Johan

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by riverside sluggers

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2007/1...s-may-not.html

the guy who runs mlb trade rumors believes the opportunity could grow larger if the Sox lose out on Johan

I guess that MLB Trade Rumors got the idea from the linked article by Davidoff, missing a critical line, bolded below:

Originally Posted by Ken Davidoff

Many friends of Clemens believe he wants to end his career where it began, with the Boston Red Sox. Were that to happen, Clemens would be a "teammate" of Mitchell, who is a Red Sox director. But the Red Sox have a surplus of starting pitchers.

While Clemens has been publicly pulverized since the release of the Mitchell Report, it should be stressed that Mitchell presented only one witness, McNamee, who accused Clemens of wrongdoing. There is no corroborating witness, and, unlike many of the other players named, no paper trail.

It would be nearly impossible for baseball Commissioner Bud Selig to suspend Clemens based on the Mitchell Report's findings, as the alleged transgressions occurred before baseball had a collectively bargained drug-testing program.

Ken Davidoff is a sportwriter who trusts his opinions and his friends opinions. His first paragraph quoted above is opinion, not fact. Rob Neyer, I guy I respect, has had at least one run-in with Davidoff. Neyer favors facts, IMO. I think that Davidoff goes out on limbs too much, and that he's done it again in this article.

Those last two quoted paragraphs Davidoff wrote I'd concur with. I don't think that there's much chance of Clemens coming back to Boston, though: Theo and the FO gave him a great shot at being part of the 2007 team and he ran off to the Yankees, where he had both pitching trouble and injury trouble. Now he's cited in the Mitchell Report. Frankly, I can't see any team except for the Yankees or the Astros even being interested at this point, and I think that Boston would be interested least of all.

But that's just my opinion...I've got one, Davidoff's got one.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Originally Posted by a700hitter

It's an unfortunate coincidence for Yankee fans that their team dominated during this disgraceful era and that they apparently were chief particpants in the cheating. For Red Sox fans, bad news for the Yankees is music to our ears. It's the most wonderful time of the year.

How can you even be sure they were the team with the most users? Just because they were prominent in a report stemming from NYC sources doesn't mean they were the 'chief participants in the cheating.' Mitchell made it very clear that the report is incomplete in who it names, and even if he didn't say that it's painfully obvious with some of the glaring omissions (Sosa for one).

[26 to 6]

He doesn't, but thats 700 for ya. Leave it to him to take any, and every opportunity to bash the Yankees.

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

I wasn't arguing in favor of anything, just throwing it out there.

Look guys, I know what he, and the other 80-something players on that list did was wrong. There's no denying that. But why do we have to crucify them? Countless other players were doing the same. When a prominent Red Sox player is revealed to have used something, I hope you guys are as adament about persecuting them as you are with these players, especially the Yankees named (not refferring to you all, as a lot of us here have responded logically to the findings in the report, but when it comes to 700 and kilo in particular, grow up guys. This isn't about Red Sox vs Yankees, it's about baseball, the game that we all love. What has transpired in the past few days, and even before that is arguably the worst thing to ever happen to the game, and we need to try to get past it all).

What the fuck? What have I said that isn't logical?

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 Reasons to Hate Us

How can you even be sure they were the team with the most users? Just because they were prominent in a report stemming from NYC sources doesn't mean they were the 'chief participants in the cheating.' Mitchell made it very clear that the report is incomplete in who it names, and even if he didn't say that it's painfully obvious with some of the glaring omissions (Sosa for one).

Where's the evidence of steroids with Sosa?

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by 26 Reasons to Hate Us

How can you even be sure they were the team with the most users? Just because they were prominent in a report stemming from NYC sources doesn't mean they were the 'chief participants in the cheating.' Mitchell made it very clear that the report is incomplete in who it names, and even if he didn't say that it's painfully obvious with some of the glaring omissions (Sosa for one).

Until the top two starters on another team are exposed, the Yankees are hard to beat.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

Where's the evidence of steroids with Sosa?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sosasa01.shtml

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Originally Posted by a700hitter

Until the top two starters on another team are exposed, the Yankees are hard to beat.

There are plenty of teams with several guys linked to steroids.
Like how about the Orioles:
Sosa
Palmiero
Tejada
Gibbons
Roberts
Bigbie
Grimsley

[schillingouttheks]

Except over half of those players weren't with the Orioles during the Yankees' championships. That's the time we're referring to, no?

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 Reasons to Hate Us

http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/sosasa01.shtml

I don't see evidence of steroids.