Yankee offense: worst start in 10 yrs

[One Red Seat]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

Have we heard everything Canseco had to say about it? Shut the fuck up...until their is more evidence it isn't fair to single out A-Rod when Papi probably used too. I only say that since you guys are being ridiculously stupid and throwing these A-Rod things out there.

I've met people who sell crack and shit, wouldn't call them friends or anything, but I've met them here and there. Does that mean I use crack because whoever I was with revealed that he introducedme to them? And whether he did or didn't, he isn't now and is still in his prime. So just all of you do all of us a favor and stuff something in your mouth.

Wah, whiney cunt.

[One Red Seat]

Originally Posted by Youk Of The Nation

Honestly, what I think is that Canseco noticed that people were paying less and less attention to him, and since he wanted that attention for his new book, Vindicated: Tales of a Whiny Attention Whore, he figured, 'gosh, I should probably make some kind of vague, unsubstantiated comment about steroids relating to a player that is so naturally talented that no one would ever have expected it...I got it! Alex Rodriguez!

I find it hard to believe it's coincidence that his little story about A-Rod happened to come out about the same time as his book. Bet that's reflected in sales.

That makes sense. It also makes sense for a guy with serious insider information to not blow it all out in one book. Piecemeal it, and he makes more money.

I didn't bring it up because I think or care either way about what ARod (or Ortiz) did or does, but with Canseco's track record on the subject, it's unfair to call anyone stupid for suggesting it. Although, it is kind of fun to ruffle the feathers of Fanboy #1.

[Mr Crunchy]

the only canseco arod was banging was jose's twin ozzie

[BudLight]

Originally Posted by One Red Seat

Has Canseco been wrong yet?

Clemens didn't use steroids?

[One Red Seat]

Wasn't Rajah in the first book?

Yeah, he was....

On Clemens, a teammate with the Red Sox, Blue Jays and Yankees: Canseco and Clemens "talked about what steroids could do for you, in which combination, and I've heard him use the phrase 'B-12 shot' with respect to others."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...PGR3BA8AQ1.DTL

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by Youk Of The Nation

I dont think 26-6 was serious. Im pretty sure he was referring to the stupidity of implying that A-Rod used steroids.

Stupidity? Why would that implication be considered stupid? It is simply a statement of suspicion, tinged with a good dose of sarcasm, which apparently was missed by at least one reader.

Personally, I think anyone convinced that a player with those kind of numbers, particularly one who hits the ball 400+ feet to the opposite field with virtually a one-handed swing, HAS NOT ever used PEDs might be a touch more outrageous than those thinking that perhaps, just perhaps, he might have used PEDs.

[26 to 6]

He never said Clemens used steroids in his first book. And with your post "has Canseco been wrong yet," you're implying that you believe A-Rod used steroids, which without any evidence is a ridiculous accusation to make, as is saying that Davod Ortiz used steroids. If you guys are going to be morons and say things like that, then I'm going to point out a much likelier scenario of a player using performance enhancing drugs in David Ortiz.

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by rician blast

Stupidity? Why would that implication be considered stupid? It is simply a statement of suspicion, tinged with a good dose of sarcasm, which apparently was missed by at least one reader.

Personally, I think anyone convinced that a player with those kind of numbers, particularly one who hits the ball 400+ feet to the opposite field with virtually a one-handed swing, HAS NOT ever used PEDs might be a touch more outrageous than those thinking that perhaps, just perhaps, he might have used PEDs.

David Ortiz included?

A-Rod has always done it, and is continuing to do it. Ortiz was hitting bitch-balls in Minnesota, when he did hit, before going to Boston and hitting bombs.

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

David Ortiz included?

I suspect many players, not just ARod. I've stated that time and again, and personally I don't blame them, nor do I really care if they shit their own livers out as a result.

A-Rod has always done it, and is continuing to do it.

PED's?

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by rician blast

I suspect many players, not just ARod. I've stated that time and again, and personally I don't blame them, nor do I really care if they shit their own livers out as a result.



PED's?

ok so now that you've singled out A-Rod from players on your list of suspicion, how about Papi? And how about a real answer this time...

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by One Red Seat

Wah, whiney cunt.

That was a nice, intelligent response. Good for you

[BudLight]

Originally Posted by One Red Seat

Wasn't Rajah in the first book?

Yeah, he was....



http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...PGR3BA8AQ1.DTL

As Paul Harvey would say, "and now for the rest of the story":

Here's the entire book entry

It was the pitchers that kept the “B12” joke going. For example, I’ve never seen Roger Clemens do steroids, and he never told me that he did. But we’ve talked about what steroids could do for you, in which combinations, and I’ve heard him use the phrase “B12 shot” with respect to others.

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

ok so now that you've singled out A-Rod from players on your list of suspicion, how about Papi? And how about a real answer this time...

While I suppose I could just refer you to past posts where I've listed suspected users, I'll play along...I'm going to mix it up a bit, hitting different eras and levels of talent:

Kapler, Youk, Ortiz, Troy O'Leary, Tek, Foulke, John Valentin, Nixon, ARod, Giambi, Posada, Pettitte (but only twice..I mean 4 times...I mean...well you get the picture), Clemens, Sheffield, Ruben Sierra, Rivera, Karim Garcia (right, who?), Knoblauch, Ricky Henderson, Miguel Tejada, Jim Thome, Luis Gonzalez, Juan Gonzalez, Morgan Ensberg, Jeff Bagwell, Kevin Brown, Damon, Dante Bichette, Biggio,Palmeiro, Jeter, Burnitz, Garciaparra, Jim Edmunds, Scott Rolen, Mike Lansing, Albert Belle, Greg Vaughn, Moises, Vinny Castilla, Jay Buhner, Gary Gaeitti, Ron Gant, Pedro, I'm tired and I think I'll stop now.

[One Red Seat]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

He never said Clemens used steroids in his first book. And with your post "has Canseco been wrong yet," you're implying that you believe A-Rod used steroids, which without any evidence is a ridiculous accusation to make, as is saying that Davod Ortiz used steroids. If you guys are going to be morons and say things like that, then I'm going to point out a much likelier scenario of a player using performance enhancing drugs in David Ortiz.

As to my beliefs, I have implied nothing. Like I stated above, my mentioning of Canseco was only to draw attention to the folly of calling someone stupid for being suspicious of ARod.

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

That was a nice, intelligent response. Good for you

It was deserved. Or was this a shining example of intelligent discourse...

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

Shut the fuck up....

Not only was it deserved, but it was correct. If you weren't such a defensive little bitch when it came to everything Yankee, we wouldn't be where we are now in this discussion.

[One Red Seat]

Originally Posted by BudLight

As Paul Harvey would say, "and now for the rest of the story":

Here's the entire book entry

It was the pitchers that kept the “B12” joke going. For example, I’ve never seen Roger Clemens do steroids, and he never told me that he did. But we’ve talked about what steroids could do for you, in which combinations, and I’ve heard him use the phrase “B12 shot” with respect to others.

Thanks, Paul. Now show me that part where Canseco says Clemens didn't use PED's. He didn't see it, and Clemens didn't tell him, but that does not say Clemens "didn't" do it.