Hank: Joba needs to start now

[Mr Crunchy]

i havent seen much of him outside the sox games and the playoffs from last year
do you know why?
HE HASNT PITCJHED 40 FUCKING INNINGS YET
i do like him and yanks fans must love him and he does remind us a lot of paps
that said
paps has been in the sun since july 05 and has had 2.5 years of pitching under his belt including the 05 playoffs against the chisox and last years post season dominance.
off season heading into the 06 season the f/o brought in a cast of men who were to audition for the closers job and we were to stretch paps out into a starter because common sense dictates that 200ip is better than 85ip...
makes sense on paper but in practicw when you can turn the ball over to your man with 3-4-5 outs to go with no worries you have yourself a weapon that few possess.
since 1994 ny has been at the top or in the post season every year which is remarkable in the competetive al east as baltimore and toronto were competetive and the sox have been in 1st place each june since 98...
theres 1 common denominator on that staff
mo rivera
originally a setup man for wettland but a closer at heart
not many have the make up internally for that job and few have had long term success without injury or mental breakdowns
paps has it
he doesnt give a fuck if hes pitching at the breau bridge craw daddy festival in marerro louisiana or in yankee stadium ofr first place
complelty above it all
al the mad hungarian hrabowsky had that indifference
and i think joba has a little of that swagger that seperates the closers mind from that of the other members of the staff
im joe girardi and i have 2 starters breaking in this year and a shit load of coin at my disposal next fall
joba stays put unless satan comes out of the ground and kisses girardi on the lips and suggests chamberlain get the starters role

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Bill

xFIP is called "an experimental stat," even though it's been around a few years now, but DIPS goes back to 1999 and Tango invented FIP soon thereafter.

I'd say FIP was invented around 2001 or 2002 as they began being used for the 2003 season (So I imagine around 01-02, could be earlier though).

This is what I read at least, there could be a mistake. Or I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure.

[a700hitter]

Kennedy lowered his ERA to 8.57. 4 hits and 4 walks in 5 innings is nothing to crow about either.

[a700hitter]

Posada threw out one base runner, but his arm is shot. He's got no zip on the ball at all.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

I'd say FIP was invented around 2001 or 2002 as they began being used for the 2003 season (So I imagine around 01-02, could be earlier though).

This is what I read at least, there could be a mistake. Or I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure.

Isn't 2001-02 soon after 1999 from the perspective of 2008?

[Mr Crunchy]

he was patient and effectively on command when need be
wait
did mj get my password??
did curtis granderson inherited lf for the tribe
i aint seen a collasal fuck up like that since david ecksteins 280 foot triple in the 06 series

[a700hitter]

Thuuuh Yankees Loooose!!!
Thuuuh Yankees Loooose!!!

[Mr Crunchy]

9 inning heartbreaker too
im tellin ya
theres going to be a real shit fight to make 92-95 wins in the al this year

[One Red Seat]

Dorf on Baseball rules.

[das11209]

Girardi so far has been worse than I would have thought - wonder if Jackson misses Torrie already.

Why walk Pronk to get to Victor - who is the best hitter of the Indians?

Melky trying to bunt?? Please do that again so I can have a good laugh.

[Mr Crunchy]

girardi had 1 season of 500 ball to hang his hat on and the ny medias ballwashing forced joe t out to bring in a sunnier face that didnt pick his nose with his middle finger 2 knckles deep
good
august 1st he's out with medical problems

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by Mr Crunchy

girardi had 1 season of 500 ball to hang his hat on and the ny medias ballwashing forced joe t out to bring in a sunnier face that didnt pick his nose with his middle finger 2 knckles deep
good
august 1st he's out with medical problems

He fell short of .500 a nd finshed 4th out of 5 ahead of the hapless Nats. I don't think he'll need medical leave as his health is very good. He follows a strict lowfat diet.

[Mr Crunchy]

low fat diets dont help nervous breakdowns and depression
not that i am aware of anyway
lets refer to the medical people and see if we can determine whats what

[jacksonianmarch]

Couple things.

I like Girardi more for the confidence he tries to place in his pitchers. He allows his starters to go deeper than Torre ever would. But today was brutal IMO. If he insisted on leaving Joba and Mo out of it until there was a lead, then he should have used the vets in the later innings. Ohlie got torched his last time around and throwing a rookie in a do or die ninth is not a way to ease him back into things. Now, instead of building confidence, his is shot.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

Couple things.

I like Girardi more for the confidence he tries to place in his pitchers. He allows his starters to go deeper than Torre ever would. But today was brutal IMO. If he insisted on leaving Joba and Mo out of it until there was a lead, then he should have used the vets in the later innings. Ohlie got torched his last time around and throwing a rookie in a do or die ninth is not a way to ease him back into things. Now, instead of building confidence, his is shot.

Torre always went to his horses when he smelled a win. He left a lot pitchers on the side of the road after he ruined their arms and careers. Quantrill, Sturtze, Gordon, and Proctor are just a few. He was always careful to take care of Mo because he was the money. When he burned out a guy, the GM went to get more middle relief for him. It was because of his pattern of use (abuse?) of the bullpen that the Yankees had to implement "Joba Rules" to keep Torre from abusing him. This was a winning formula for Torre. Go for the throat when you smell blood, and more often than not, he won. Girardi is willing to sacrifice today for tomorrow, and that would be okay if he had a dominant team, but he doesn't.