...and whoever's playing the Yankees - 2008 Game Thread

[redsoxrules]

Kennedy got lucky in that inning , O's up 1-0

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by SchillingIsTheNatural

Members of the Yankee organization talk up Joba, Kennedy, Hughes, Cano, Cabrera as if they are the games next great players.....Robinson Cano will win a batting title? Melky Cabrera was mentioned in the same breathe with Carlos Gomez and Jacoby Ellsbury in the Santana deals? Kennedy is the next Mike Mussina? Phil Hughes is the future ace of the Yankees? Joba will be a Yankee ace once in the rotation? High hopes but it's more talk than anything. I've seen little to make me believe they will achieve the ceiling the Yankee officials have put ahead of them.

My thought was, and remains, that Melky Cabrera (four years) plus Phil Hughes (six years) plus the leftover salary dollars (a big factor) were worth more than Johan Santana (five or six years). Melky's looking OK this year; Hughes, we now know, pitched injured. I expect that he'll look better in 2009.

Ian Kennedy, though, is getting pitches six inches off the plate called strikes tonight--sure, he's great given those calls, but so's Kyle Snyder. Chris Guccione is making left-handed Orioles batters defend a 26-inch-wide strike zone, and that's impossible.

By the way, Burres is NOT getting Ian Kennedy's strike zone.

By the way as well, the Yankees are 9-1 in the last ten games of theirs that Guccione has called, including two Shawn Chacon wins and one Aaron Small win.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Bill

My thought was, and remains, that Melky Cabrera (four years) plus Phil Hughes (six years) plus the leftover salary dollars (a big factor) were worth more than Johan Santana (five or six years). Melky's looking OK this year; Hughes, we now know, pitched injured. I expect that he'll look better in 2009.

Maybe but if Hughes doesn't match Santana's success for the next 5 to 6 years and Melky Cabrera remains OK...I'm thinking it was a mistake.

I remain skeptical about the future of Yankee prospects, I almost get the feeling they parade them through the minors quickly and talk them up to give them the appearance they are destined for greatness.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by SchillingIsTheNatural

Maybe but if Hughes doesn't match Santana's success for the next 5 to 6 years and Melky Cabrera remains OK...I'm thinking it was a mistake.

Whoa...you left out the salary difference.

If Santana goes, oh, 90-60 over these six years, Hughes goes 60-60, and Melky hits .280 with medium power while playing an average CF for four years, the Yankees win big time. Santana is being paid A LOT more money than the Yankees' kids.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Bill

Whoa...you left out the salary difference.

If Santana goes, oh, 90-60 over these six years, Hughes goes 60-60, and Melky hits .280 with medium power while playing an average CF for four years, the Yankees win big time. Santana is being paid A LOT more money than the Yankees' kids.

Take the money you would have given Santana and give it to Sabathia, and the Yankees definitely win.

[Mr Crunchy]

big stones from the maligned kennedy this evening
battled and got some big pitches when he needed em
nice effort and i wont dismiss this against baltimore cause milford high wouldve croaked him last week

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by Mr Crunchy

big stones from the maligned kennedy this evening

Did you mean, "Big zone for the maligned Kennedy this evening?"

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by SchillingIsTheNatural

That was once the case but hasn't been since I would say...2005. The Red Sox focus heavily on scouting and drafting. While the Yankees wanted to sign Johnny Damon, the Red Sox wanted the draft pick. Since that draft the Yankees have changed focus to younger home grown players as opposed to going after the Santana's of the world. They are now playing catch up to the Red Sox who are superior in the minor leagues and young prospects at the major league level.

Members of the Yankee organization talk up Joba, Kennedy, Hughes, Cano, Cabrera as if they are the games next great players.....Robinson Cano will win a batting title? Melky Cabrera was mentioned in the same breathe with Carlos Gomez and Jacoby Ellsbury in the Santana deals? Kennedy is the next Mike Mussina? Phil Hughes is the future ace of the Yankees? Joba will be a Yankee ace once in the rotation? High hopes but it's more talk than anything. I've seen little to make me believe they will achieve the ceiling the Yankee officials have put ahead of them.

For the sake of fairness lets say 2006. lol

And you really don't think Cano has the ability to win a batting title? What, because he's off to a slow start this season? Melky hasn't shown you that he's a good young center fielder with tons of potential? He's shown about as much, maybe more than Jacoby and Gomez have. Hits well, plays good defense (although he may zig-zag from time to time out there), has a good arm, runs well, etc. Kennedy has similar stuff as Mike Mussina and could one day be up there. If Hughes's performance this year is what you're basing that statement on, what about last year? Give him some time, he needs more than 19 Major League starts before we declare that he is a failure. I'm getting a whif of some good old-fashinoed anti-Yankee bias with this one.

[26 to 6]

Am I dreaming or did I actually see Ian Kennedy put up a quality start tonight? Generous zone or not, he still looked good tonight. Great if you want to compare him to his previous 6 starts this year.

And Mo is NASTY as usual. He got snubbed on that Cy Young back in '06, something tells me if he keeps it up he may be in contention for it this year.

[26 to 6]

Whaddya know, it's Robbie Cano comin' through in the 9th!

[Mr Crunchy]

well mr jayhawk in this strange game where the defense puts the ball in play ive come to realize the commodity of good luck is essential over 162 games and if the boy got some calls at home against a suck orioles team he may have had the karma coming.
i hate the yankees with a passion i reserve for cancer and diddlers,god help me i just cant help it but i do call spades spades and theyve been on the business end of some shit luck for a while now
since tony womack and luis gonzales 120 footer in the desert the worm has been turning,the tony clark groundrule double and rivera walking millar and a host of other bizzare events have made me believe that the gods are back on our shoulder but it can only get so good for so long so if they catch a break tonight i'll contain my rage and enjoy the 7.5 game lead entering mem day weekend..

[One Red Seat]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

He's shown about as much, maybe more than Jacoby and Gomez have. Hits well, plays good defense (although he may zig-zag from time to time out there), has a good arm, runs well, etc.

Please stop. Nothing in the statistical record from the minors or majors supports the idea of equivalence between Ellsbury and Cabrera.

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by One Red Seat

Please stop. Nothing in the statistical record from the minors or majors supports the idea of equivalence between Ellsbury and Cabrera.

Go look at your stats, I'll WATCH the game.

If you would like I'll return in 20 minutes with some analysis to satisfy your statistical desires.

..the point I was trying to make though is that if Melky hasn't proven anything, then what exactly has Jacoby proven?? Shit!

[One Red Seat]

Please do, show me something to back up that assertion. And, I watch the games too. The stats are right. Ellsbury is better.

[Mr Crunchy]

ellsbury gave the sox a huge spark last summer when he came up and we finally got the guy to replace damon at the top of the order plus he's a better base runner at his tender age than the numb damon ever was...ya thats a bold statement but so far its true