...and whoever's playing the Yankees - 2008 Game Thread

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

....oh wait,I get the joke. Donaghy the former NBA ref/chronic gambler

D'oh. I don't follow the NBA, but I shouldn't be that numb.

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

You know what has changed all of this?

October, 2004.

Since then the Sox have been the premier organization in all of Major League Baseball and it kills Yankee fans. It KILLS them.

Hank Steinbrenner has done nothing but reinforce this fact since he came into power.

It may have began the process that changed it, but call up NESN, dig through their vault, and you'll see clearly that in like 2005-2006 the Yankees got more coverage than the Sox. Still today, features on that station involving Sox fans and their stories or whatever pretty much always include something derogatory or anti-Yankee in it. It is crystal clear that the Red Sox, their fans, their front office, and everyone associated with them get more joy out of a Yankee loss than they do a Red Sox win. Every time. Despite the 2004 championship (followed by no postseason in 2005) and the 2007 championship, the Yankees are still a premier franchise. We have nothing to be jealous of, except that in the past 5 years you guys have more rings (while we have more wins, divisions, and playoff appearances ..just had to throw tht in there). The heart of Red Sox Nation is built upon an inferiority complex towards the Yankees, and everyone knows it.

Dude, I know you have a hard-on for Melky, but if you can't see that Jacoby Ellsbury is a far superior player than I don't know what to tell you. Nothing I can say can convince you of anything at that point.

You accuse Sox fans of homerism and them throw out things like this, and then COMPLETELY DISREGARD the stats that prove Ellsbury is better.

I'm not ignoring the stats, I realize what kind of player Jacoby is, but I'm not going to call him a proven commodity. And I still believe that when they are both fully developed veterans that Melky will have more to offer. It's hard to compare because Jacoby is a small-ball leadoff guy who runs well but doesnt hit for power. Melky has more pop, is more aggressive, and has a better arm. Their both gonna be fun to watch over the course of their careers, and all we can do is see how their careers play out.

JFC, one good start and all of a sudden he's a guy with 200+ wins.

When did I say he WAS Mike Mussina? His stuff and demeanor is comparable. Just because he experiences growing pains in his first big-league season doesn't mean he's a wash and a failure. And Mike Mussina didn't have 200+ wins after 9 big league starts either.

Hughes last year - 5-3, 4.46 ERA. A good back of the rotation starter?

I'm not willing to write him off either, but he didn't exactly set the world on fire last year.

He was stellar his first few starts before being injured, and in relief of Clemens in Game 4 against Cleveland.

[One Red Seat]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

It is crystal clear that the Red Sox, their fans, their front office, and everyone associated with them get more joy out of a Yankee loss than they do a Red Sox win. Every time. Despite the 2004 championship (followed by no postseason in 2005) and the 2007 championship, the Yankees are still a premier franchise. We have nothing to be jealous of, except that in the past 5 years you guys have more rings (while we have more wins, divisions, and playoff appearances ..just had to throw tht in there). The heart of Red Sox Nation is built upon an inferiority complex towards the Yankees, and everyone knows it.

Quit projecting. That's what you are doing here. For whatever reason, you assign yourself a superior status via the baseball team you root for. This has to be the case, for without you feeling superior, then there is nothing for an inferiority complex to be based upon. This is nothing more than what you perceive as true through a seriously fucked up set of priorities. Please note, here, I'm pointing my remarks at you, not at everyone, which you do with unintelligible frequency.

If what you say is true, then your losses in 2001 and 2003 would have brought me more joy than our wins in 2004 and 2007. This wasn't the case. I loved everything about the championships. The only thing enjoyable about your losses is the fact that shuts up the idiots who think their life is better through who they root for.

[Jayhawk Bill]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

It may have began the process that changed it, but call up NESN, dig through their vault, and you'll see clearly that in like 2005-2006 the Yankees got more coverage than the Sox. Still today, features on that station involving Sox fans and their stories or whatever pretty much always include something derogatory or anti-Yankee in it. It is crystal clear that the Red Sox, their fans, their front office, and everyone associated with them get more joy out of a Yankee loss than they do a Red Sox win. Every time. Despite the 2004 championship (followed by no postseason in 2005)...

You must've missed that bit where the Red Sox were eliminated by the White Sox, who were later to win the 2005 World Series, in the ALDS.

We have nothing to be jealous of, except that in the past 5 years you guys have more rings...

The heart of Red Sox Nation is built upon an inferiority complex towards the Yankees, and everyone knows it.

A CALL TO MY FELLOW MEMBERS OF TALKSOX:

Will everybody who feels inferior to the New York Yankees please support 26 to 6 by posting your concurrence as a reply in this thread...thanks in advance.

26 to 6, let's see how many Red Sox fans corroborate your position here.

I'm not ignoring the stats, I realize what kind of player Jacoby is, but I'm not going to call him a proven commodity. And I still believe that when they are both fully developed veterans that Melky will have more to offer. It's hard to compare because Jacoby is a small-ball leadoff guy who runs well but doesnt hit for power. Melky has more pop...

You do realize that Jacoby Ellsbury has a much higher career slugging percentage than Melky, don't you? Ellsbury even has a higher Isolated Power than Cabrera in MLB.

There really isn't any basis for alleging that Melky has more pop than Jacoby.

...is more aggressive...

Aggressive? As in baserunning?

Or as in aggressively swinging at pitches outside of the strike zone?

Their both gonna be fun to watch over the course of their careers, and all we can do is see how their careers play out.

We might also avoid incorrect assertions about which of the two is better today.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by Jayhawk Bill

A CALL TO MY FELLOW MEMBERS OF TALKSOX:

Will everybody who feels inferior to the New York Yankees please support 26 to 6 by posting your concurrence as a reply in this thread...thanks in advance.

26 to 6, let's see how many Red Sox fans corroborate your position here.

The heart of Red Sox Nation is built on lifelong fanatical devotion to the Red Sox. A common characteristic of Red Sox fanatics is a hatred of the Yankees. Our team is clearly superior to the Yankees and has been for several years. Yet, we hate the Yankees despite this knowledge of Red Sox superiority. The Nation continues to grow and prosper and we love rubbing it in the face of the arrogant Yankee fans who are in an unhealthy state of denial. Your team sucks. Your prized rookie pitchers are still at 0 wins on May 23rd. Our rookies have more no-hitters than that.

[BoSox21]

I would say the heart is RSN is starting to be based on an arrogance, the exact opposite of an inferiority complex. 2004 caused a 180 on the inferiority complex and 2007 was an exclamation point on that feeling.

the aspect of the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry that the media absolutely eats up now is the fact that since 2004, this rivalry has been completely switched around. Whereas Babe Ruth, Bucky Dent, Aaron Boone, etc. took on a mythological meaning within the media prior to 2004, stuff like a bloody sock, a David Ortiz jersey buried under the new stadium and the "Curse of A-Rod" are quickly gaining steam as having mythological meaning in the rivalry as it is now.

[Optimist]

Jacoby > Melky

Without a doubt.

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

It may have began the process that changed it, but call up NESN, dig through their vault, and you'll see clearly that in like 2005-2006 the Yankees got more coverage than the Sox. Still today, features on that station involving Sox fans and their stories or whatever pretty much always include something derogatory or anti-Yankee in it.

Instead of sputing bullshit, come up with some hard evidence.

Every story the NESN station runs is anti-Yankee? Do you really believe this shit?

It is crystal clear that the Red Sox, their fans, their front office, and everyone associated with them get more joy out of a Yankee loss than they do a Red Sox win.

I wholeheartedly disagree. Widespread assumptions and projecting make you look like a jackass.

Every time. Despite the 2004 championship (followed by no postseason in 2005) and the 2007 championship, the Yankees are still a premier franchise. We have nothing to be jealous of, except that in the past 5 years you guys have more rings (while we have more wins, divisions, and playoff appearances ..just had to throw tht in there). The heart of Red Sox Nation is built upon an inferiority complex towards the Yankees, and everyone knows it.

When did we start counting wins, playoff appearances, divisions as bragging rights? Do you have "AL East Championship" banners flying around Yankee Stadium?


Do you get off on some kind of imagined superiority complex based off a baseball team? Sad.

[BoSox21]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

It is crystal clear that the Red Sox, their fans, their front office, and everyone associated with them get more joy out of a Yankee loss than they do a Red Sox win.

I don't think Sox fans got a bigger kick out of the Marlins winning in '03 than they did for the Sox winning in '04 or '07

[Optimist]

...the offense is coming alive. Good sign.

[Remember the Titans]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

It may have began the process that changed it, but call up NESN, dig through their vault, and you'll see clearly that in like 2005-2006 the Yankees got more coverage than the Sox. Still today, features on that station involving Sox fans and their stories or whatever pretty much always include something derogatory or anti-Yankee in it. It is crystal clear that the Red Sox, their fans, their front office, and everyone associated with them get more joy out of a Yankee loss than they do a Red Sox win. Every time. Despite the 2004 championship (followed by no postseason in 2005) and the 2007 championship, the Yankees are still a premier franchise. We have nothing to be jealous of, except that in the past 5 years you guys have more rings (while we have more wins, divisions, and playoff appearances ..just had to throw tht in there). The heart of Red Sox Nation is built upon an inferiority complex towards the Yankees, and everyone knows it.

lol gr8t pozt n i totaly agree. n fact adam123, castigs, thumper, and tgov all agree wit u. we h8te teh yanks more den we luv teh sawx. thiz remindz me when gary n julius h8ted on each otha mor den tehy loved winnin but dat changed amirite?

doun wit facts and logic! 26 2 6 wood u join hour club if i stared it?

[Optimist]

Interesting end to a good win. Hopefully Wang can bounce back tomorrow, complete the sweep, and put the Yankees back at .500.

[The Dustball]

Jesus, Silva and the Mariners realllllllly suck. No idea how the guy managed to get 44 million dollars this offseason, he's mediocre at best.

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by Remember the Titans

lol gr8t pozt n i totaly agree. n fact adam123, castigs, thumper, and tgov all agree wit u. we h8te teh yanks more den we luv teh sawx. thiz remindz me when gary n julius h8ted on each otha mor den tehy loved winnin but dat changed amirite?

doun wit facts and logic! 26 2 6 wood u join hour club if i stared it?

Dude idk if it's drugs that you're on or drugs that you NEED to be on, but please get some help.

[ARod2212]

It was only a matter of time before people started hitting. Isn't it amazing how it coincides with Rodriguez getting back in the lineup?