Why missing the playoffs is good for the future - Talksox

ARod2212 · 09-01-2008, 11:21 PM

http://www.nysun.com/sports/missing-...yankees/84984/

I liked the article, it was an interesting look. Hopefully we'll see some of this stuff come to fruition.

It's so weird to know the Yankees are done, especially this early. Usually I don't get this feeling until Game 4 against the Angels.

I'm still rooting for the Yanks to win and do well, but once October starts, I'm going to adopt Tampa for the playoffs. I can't be upset if they win the whole thing, they're a great story.

a700hitter · 09-01-2008, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ARod2212

http://www.nysun.com/sports/missing-...yankees/84984/

I liked the article, it was an interesting look. Hopefully we'll see some of this stuff come to fruition.

It's so weird to know the Yankees are done, especially this early. Usually I don't get this feeling until Game 4 against the Angels.

I'm still rooting for the Yanks to win and do well, but once October starts, I'm going to adopt Tampa for the playoffs. I can't be upset if they win the whole thing, they're a great story.

I thought the article would be about the Yankees going on a spending spree and signing Texiera, Sabbathia, Sheets and Manny. That would be encouraging, and I could see that happening. After the disastrous 2006, the Red Sox FO paid $200 million for 3 players and went on to win a championship.

**Coco's Disciples** · 09-01-2008, 11:39 PM

But the championship in 2007 was less about DiceK, Lugo and Drew and more about Okajima, Pedroia and Ellsbury (of the new guys). But I digress. Decent article.

a700hitter · 09-01-2008, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Coco's Disciples

But the championship in 2007 was less about DiceK, Lugo and Drew and more about Okajima, Pedroia and Ellsbury (of the new guys). But I digress. Decent article.

It was about all of them. I don't think they would have won with WMP in RF instead of Drew and Jason Johnson, David Wells and Matt Clement instead of Dice K.

**Coco's Disciples** · 09-02-2008, 12:01 AM

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It was about all of them. I don't think they would have won with WMP in RF instead of Drew and Jason Johnson, David Wells and Matt Clement instead of Dice K.

Correct. I guess I didn't really word it right. All of the players in 2007 were necessary for the WS championship ('cept Gagne). The three players I mentioned were more valuable (that's debatable for 2008) and vital for the success of the team. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you said:

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After the disastrous 2006, the Red Sox FO paid $200 million for 3 players and went on to win a championship.

, and I would say that rather than going out and buying guys, you need a good mix of acquisitions and homegrown talent, something the 07 team did perfectly.

a700hitter · 09-02-2008, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Coco's Disciples

Correct. I guess I didn't really word it right. All of the players in 2007 were necessary for the WS championship ('cept Gagne). The three players I mentioned were more valuable (that's debatable for 2008) and vital for the success of the team. I guess what I'm trying to say is that you said: , and I would say that rather than going out and buying guys, you need a good mix of acquisitions and homegrown talent, something the 07 team did perfectly.

I think the Yankees are short on home grown talent.

**Coco's Disciples** · 09-02-2008, 12:18 AM

Let's just say, they could be better off.

ARod2212 · 09-02-2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by a700hitter

I thought the article would be about the Yankees going on a spending spree and signing Texiera, Sabbathia, Sheets and Manny. That would be encouraging, and I could see that happening. After the disastrous 2006, the Red Sox FO paid $200 million for 3 players and went on to win a championship.

That's what I thought when I opened it too, and I thought it was much more interesting than that.

I don't think there's any way they don't sign Sabathia this offseason. Texieria is different, although I'd love to get him. I don't know if he wants to play here. I'd take a pass on Sheets because of his injury history. Manny is the most interesting out of all of them. What he'd do to that lineup makes me giggle. I just think he's a better fit in Queens, Minaya (if he still has a job) would pay a shit ton for him.

Gom · 09-02-2008, 12:52 AM

This is a non-news story. I don't ever want to see Kennedy EVER pitch in pinstripes again. A terrible pitcher touted by a terrible GM who would have been the centerpiece of a trade for a great pitcher in Santana or an excellent reliever in Fuentes. Before you start thinking that not making the playoffs is a good thing for the Yankees, realize the Yankees pocket anywhere between $3 to $10 million a playoff game at home. Enough to sign a free agent or two, or to sign those "coveted" draft picks. What idiot Yankee fans don't realize is that we've had picks before. They don't amount to much 99% of the time with this regime. Why now all of a sudden are they treated as sure things is beyond me. Until I start to see that percentage change to something a little less than 90%, I don't want to hear shit about this idiot.

Some "gems" to realize.

Number of Yankee position players that were drafted that became everyday players since Cashman was hired as GM:
ZERO.

Number of pitchers drafted that became everyday starters OR relievers since Cashman was hired as GM: One [potentially, in Joba]

Yet there are fools that believe he is doing a good job. If you only got one problem right in 10 years at your job, how long would you last?

As for signing Sabathia...I hope the Yankee fans here realize that it's not just the money. If he doesn't want to come to NY, that's his choice. He may decide on less money to go elsewhere. It's not the slamdunk you think it is.

If I was Sabathia, if the money is remotely close, no way I sign with the Yankees. Where do I go? Angels. Think about it. You would join a rotation with Santana, Lackey, Saunders, and Escobar. Considering the market for the AL West teams, you are pretty much guaranteed to make the playoffs for the next 5-7 years straight, considering the strength of your team and the payroll disparity with the A's, Rangers, and Mariners. Better weather, better team, better playoff possibilities, more relaxed lifestyle goes up against more money. Wake up. Firing Cashman would be the first step in fixing what even Sabathia and Teixeira can't solve.

The Yankees never win again while this idiot is running the team.

Gom · 09-02-2008, 01:05 AM

Another thing...and sorry for the double post.

Dear a700:

If you ever use the words "home grown talent" and "Yankees" in the same sentence again, I will kill you. Consider yourself warned.

yankees228 · 09-02-2008, 02:04 AM

Yeah Gom, because the draft is everything...

It's not like he's acquired the players necessary to make the playoffs every year prior to this one or anything like that...

jacksonianmarch · 09-02-2008, 02:32 AM

gom is dumb

TheKilo · 09-02-2008, 09:43 AM

Wasn't Cano drafted by Cashman? And Wang?

**Coco's Disciples** · 09-02-2008, 10:11 AM

Not drafted, but they were signed when Cashman was the GM. He deserves credit for them.

Gom · 09-02-2008, 10:25 AM

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gom is dumb

You're right. If I'd be smart, like you, I'd support a GM who hasn't drafted a single starting position player in his entire career and took over a team that was a World Series winner and led them to a third place finish. I would support a GM who drafts more pitchers that need TJ surgery than ones who don't.

I wish I could be smart like Jacko, and realize that Cashman is a godsend. Any intelligent Yankee fan knows that if Cashman went to the Mariners, they would never get above last place in the West.