GOM's Plan for Yankee Dominance Part Ii - Page 2 - Talksox

yankees228 · 11-15-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

In terms of who we get for the bullpen, I am okay with who we already have.

Mariano closing
Aceves in the swing role.
Robertson slides to setup.
Marte, if he is healthy can be a setup man. He was lights out in the post season
Bruney will be an option
Mark Melancon will end up having an important role with the team by the end of the yr, IMO.
Phil Coke will be an option, but I dont know if he makes the team if his stuff doesnt come back
Then there's the standard retreads of Ramirez, Albaladejo, etc.
Then there are the other young bucks who could be an option in Duff, Dunn, Kennedy, McAllister, etc.

There are going to be options. I dont have a problem with an improvement here or there. But I do think we have enough talent internally to have a good pen. The question is, how long will it take to secure a good pen. Last yr, it took a month to find the right combo. Will it be the same this yr?

Haha, that's funny.

Anyway, if you look at 2009, one of the things that really turned the season around was Hughes settling into that 8th role. I think they need to find someone to do his job next year, and I'm not confident he is currently on the roster.

jacksonianmarch · 11-15-2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Gom

Meh...I'm not sold on anyone unless they can do it for a full season. Like I said, Joba's arm strength and Hughes's blowup in the playoffs worry me. Plus, IMO Hughes was incredibly lucky last year. His control will take some time, but I am not sold on Hughes being a solid pitcher yet.

I understand your criteria, but it really isnt rocket science to see Joba's problems. He started slipping right around the 120IP mark. That marked 20IP over his previous season high. Then he fell off the cliff while being toyed with. I think he shows arm strength this yr and carries his performance through the yr now.

In terms of Hughes, I am much less worried about him in the rotation. I actually think his pen stint helped him immensely. First of all, it proved that he had a great fastball. Hell, he went 2/3 of the season throwing something like 85% fastballs. And he started locating it. I am not worried about his playoff record, since his command seemed to betray him and he is still a young buck in the playoff and WS atmosphere. But I think he has a better yr than Joba simply because I like Hughes' depth of pitches. He throws the 4 seamer, the 2 seamer, the cutter, the curve and he will need to re-incorporate the changeup and the slider into his repertoire. I think he has a good yr.

Regardless, my only big concern for a rotation of CC, AJ, Pettitte/Lackey, Joba, or Hughes would be health. If Joba is truly healthy, then I think he has a big yr. If he isnt, then we better find out soon.

jacksonianmarch · 11-15-2009, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by yankees228

Haha, that's funny.

Anyway, if you look at 2009, one of the things that really turned the season around was Hughes settling into that 8th role. I think they need to find someone to do his job next year, and I'm not confident he is currently on the roster.

He may or may not be. I bet you that Robertson gets the chance IMO. He looked really good this yr. Really frickin good.

yankees228 · 11-15-2009, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

He may or may not be. I bet you that Robertson gets the chance IMO. He looked really good this yr. Really frickin good.

He did, and I like Robertson in the long run, but I just wouldn't really feel comfortable going into next year with him as the primary setup man, after seeing the difference Hughes made this year.

Gom · 11-15-2009, 05:43 PM

I am much more sold on Robertson. The guy is good.

The thing is, I didn't see Joba dial it up to 98 or 99 all season..anywhere, anytime. Eh...we shall see.

jacksonianmarch · 11-15-2009, 05:50 PM

Robertson is sneaky. He throws a FB in the 91-94 range but guys swing like its 100 and his curve is filthy. I liked seeing a change from him this yr. I think he can do it. He doesnt need to be Hughes good. He just needs to provide enough of a bridge to get the ball to Mo with any sort of lead

BoSox21 · 11-15-2009, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

Robertson is sneaky. He throws a FB in the 91-94 range but guys swing like its 100 and his curve is filthy. I liked seeing a change from him this yr. I think he can do it. He doesnt need to be Hughes good. He just needs to provide enough of a bridge to get the ball to Mo with any sort of lead

Topic	Team	Content
Prospect	Yankees	The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.
Prospect	Sox	He could be good, but this is why he won't be.
Signing	Yankees	This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.
Signing	Sox	Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.
Injury	Yankees	They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.
Injury	Sox	Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.

jacksonianmarch · 11-15-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BoSox21

Topic	Team	Content
Prospect	Yankees	The player in question is made of 150% pure awesomeness. Fear us.
Prospect	Sox	He could be good, but this is why he won't be.
Signing	Yankees	This is the missing piece. We'll win 160 games, and the umps will screw us out of 2.
Signing	Sox	Risky move, overpaid here, they'll regret this.
Injury	Yankees	They don't get hurt. Hypothetically, if they did, the recovery will be speedy with no impact to ability.
Injury	Sox	Everyone is a ticking time bomb. Once hurt, they'll never heal right.

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Any person making any semblance of an attack here earns a permanent ban from talksox. Anyone responding to an attack earns a permanent ban. This goes for attacks disguised as jokes and sarcastic comments as well.

BoSox21 · 11-15-2009, 07:02 PM

It's not a joke or sarcasm. It's pointing out bias. If that means a ban, so be it.

yankees228 · 11-15-2009, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Gom

I am much more sold on Robertson. The guy is good.

The thing is, I didn't see Joba dial it up to 98 or 99 all season..anywhere, anytime. Eh...we shall see.

You're this high on Robertson, yet you pass off what Hughes did this year as luck? To me, that makes no sense.

Both threw with similar velocity, and both lacked pin-point control. I'd be willing to bet that Hughes also missed a lot more bats with his fastball than Robertson did. Both had decent curve balls, with Hughes' probably a bit better. Also, Hughes featured a decent cutter.

jacksonianmarch · 11-15-2009, 07:51 PM

I am just messing with you bosox

Gom · 11-17-2009, 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by yankees228

You're this high on Robertson, yet you pass off what Hughes did this year as luck? To me, that makes no sense.

Both threw with similar velocity, and both lacked pin-point control. I'd be willing to bet that Hughes also missed a lot more bats with his fastball than Robertson did. Both had decent curve balls, with Hughes' probably a bit better. Also, Hughes featured a decent cutter.

When Robertson missed, he usually missed low. When Hughes missed, he usually missed high.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say I was high on him, I'm just more sold on Robertson.

Plus, the guy was lights out in the playoffs, and Hughes was a little bitch.

26 to 6 · 11-17-2009, 02:47 AM

I'm certainly high on Robertson, and was so when he was called up last season. He's got great stuff and good movement on his fastball. If he develops properly he has a chance to be a great setup man in this league for a long time.

And if the postseason has taught us anything, it's that Phil Hughes needs to be starting next year, no matter what. Whether they wanna send him back to Scranton or flip/flop roles between him and Joba, he needs to be starting. Lets not forget what he's supposed be. It's time for him to start living up to all the hype he's gotten since being drafted and justify not being traded for Santana.

jacksonianmarch · 11-17-2009, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Gom

When Robertson missed, he usually missed low. When Hughes missed, he usually missed high.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say I was high on him, I'm just more sold on Robertson.

Plus, the guy was lights out in the playoffs, and Hughes was a little bitch.

First of all, Hughes had much better control than Robertson, lets just get that straight. Since Hughes was converted to the pen, he walked 13 batters in 51.1IP. Robertson walked 23 batter in 43IP. Hughes control was MUCH better. Also, Hughes had about 3-4 mph more on the heater so a lot of his pitches were designed to be high. 97mph at the letters is a very difficult pitch to hit. He was effective throwing basically one pitch all season until he got the playoffs when he looked like he started to tire. 94mph instead of 97mph and the ball wasnt staying on the corners or up at the letters. It was drifting to the middle and was dropping to the belt. Anyone can hit that. Cmon Gom, you are better than that. I know you "watch the game" but you obviously werent watching it with the intent of sounding knowledgable about it.

yankees228 · 11-17-2009, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gom

When Robertson missed, he usually missed low. When Hughes missed, he usually missed high.

Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say I was high on him, I'm just more sold on Robertson.

Plus, the guy was lights out in the playoffs, and Hughes was a little bitch.

I'm not trying to put words in your mouth, but it basically amounts to the same thing. I just don't understand how you can be more sold on Robertson than Hughes. I think, with Hughes' fastball, a lot of times the design was to miss up. When he was at his best, he was almost going exclusively to his fastball up in the zone, and having a ton of success with it. I don't see how you can call his success lucky, considering all the swings and misses he was getting, and the lack of hard hit balls off him.

As for the playoff argument, you want to talk about luck? Lets take a look at what Robertson did in game two of the ALDS. He gave up a hard single, but the third base coach foolishly held Mauer against Gardner's arm. And then he made a bad pitch to Delmon Young, but he lined it right at Teixeira. That outing, his signature outing of the postseason, very easily could have turned out much differently.

Granted, Hughes was bad in the postseason, but 6 1/3 innings is hardly significant in the grand scheme of things. And it's not like he can't pitch in the postseason, because lets not forget how effective he was in 2007.