New York Yankees top 50 prospects - Page 4 - Talksox

jacksonianmarch · 12-23-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dipre;511735;

You just agreed with me, so what the hell are you talking about?

Just agree he doesn't have the projection you gave him. Stats tell you all you need to know about unsustainable runs. This is fact.

this was my quote on the ceiling of Joseph

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Ceiling I have heard an Utley comparison previously, but I think that's way too generous since Utley's power is incredibly rare from a MIF. He looks like he could be a .300+ hitter with double digit homers and a very high OBP.

Also, you continue to say "this is fact" in areas where that is not fact at all. Actually, anyone who knows anything about development knows that stats tell only a fraction of the story. A player could be working on something for a short time, they could be getting used to new mechanics, etc. You need to take in the whole picture.

Dipre · 12-23-2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch;511744;

this was my quote on the ceiling of Joseph

Then you were basically agreeing with the guy making the assesment,making an exception to snake your way out of ridicule, therefore, you do agree with the assesment. Therefore, you are yet again overvaluing a Yankee prospect.

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Also, you continue to say "this is fact" in areas where that is not fact at all. Actually, anyone who knows anything about development knows that stats tell only a fraction of the story. A player could be working on something for a short time, they could be getting used to new mechanics, etc. You need to take in the whole picture.

It would be fact if it was about Red Sox players. That's all i have to say about that.

diony · 12-23-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Meh;511658;

Joseph gets the Utley comps with the bat... He's got great power potential there. If you'd seriously take Brewer over Joseph then theres no hope for you. Joseph is the second best hitter in the system behind Montero. I agree 100% on the fact Vizcaino should be higher than Mitchell. I would have Mitchell around 13th-15th.

Brewer is a solid prospect that can play multiple positions. That's something Joseph can't. He couldn't handle SS, and last season proved he can't handle 2B either. Do you know why he started the season in Extended Spring Training? He was learning how to properly field drills.

He's more suited for 3B, but that would reduce his already low ceiling significatively.

There are better hitters than him in the system, like Romine and I'd dare to say that Murphy and Heathcott are better than him. If you want a 2B, then you have Adams .281/.360/.498 last year in A+ with above average defense.

jacksonianmarch · 12-23-2009, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre;511748;

Then you were basically agreeing with the guy making the assesment,making an exception to snake your way out of ridicule, therefore, you do agree with the assesment. Therefore, you are yet again overvaluing a Yankee prospect.

It would be fact if it was about Red Sox players. That's all i have to say about that.

can you make another inference? Please?

jacksonianmarch · 12-23-2009, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by diony;511791;

Brewer is a solid prospect that can play multiple positions. That's something Joseph can't. He couldn't handle SS, and last season proved he can't handle 2B either. Do you know why he started the season in Extended Spring Training? He was learning how to properly field drills.

He's more suited for 3B, but that would reduce his already low ceiling significatively.

There are better hitters than him in the system, like Romine and I'd dare to say that Murphy and Heathcott are better than him. If you want a 2B, then you have Adams .281/.360/.498 last year in A+ with above average defense.

you truly dont know much at all about our system

Dipre · 12-23-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch;511814;

can you make another inference? Please?

Cop-out. Of massive nature.

Dipre · 12-23-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch;511815;

you truly dont know much at all about our system

Oh?

So if someone doesn't massively over-value a defensively-challenged infielder with some pop he doesn't know about the system?

Go figure.........

jacksonianmarch · 12-23-2009, 03:26 PM

I am not doubting that Joseph needs some work defensively. He's better than he's being portrayed, but he isnt a defensive whiz by any means. But saying that a 20 yr old who mashed long season in his first professional yr has a low ceiling is just incorrect.

Dipre · 12-23-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch;511820;

I am not doubting that Joseph needs some work defensively. He's better than he's being portrayed, but he isnt a defensive whiz by any means. But saying that a 20 yr old who mashed long season in his first professional yr has a low ceiling is just incorrect.

No one has said he has a low ceiling. What is being said (and rightfully so) is that he's not a top-ten prospect at the moment.

diony · 12-23-2009, 03:31 PM

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you truly dont know much at all about our system

I know enough. I know that Mitchell (a 22 year old that dominated A/A+) is not a #6 on any Yankee prospect list, except yours. Even worst, you have him ahead of Viz and Heathcott.

Melancon and Dunn are not even on your list.

So much crap ahead of J.R Murphy, I mean Eduardo Nunez and Chris Garcia, seriously?

jacksonianmarch · 12-23-2009, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by diony;511791;

Brewer is a solid prospect that can play multiple positions. That's something Joseph can't. He couldn't handle SS, and last season proved he can't handle 2B either. Do you know why he started the season in Extended Spring Training? He was learning how to properly field drills.

He's more suited for 3B, but that would reduce his already low ceiling significatively.

There are better hitters than him in the system, like Romine and I'd dare to say that Murphy and Heathcott are better than him. If you want a 2B, then you have Adams .281/.360/.498 last year in A+ with above average defense.

actually, diony did

jacksonianmarch · 12-23-2009, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by diony;511822;

I know enough. I know that Mitchell (a 22 year old that dominated A/A+) is not a #6 on any Yankee prospect list, except yours. Even worst, you have him ahead of Viz and Heathcott.

Melancon and Dunn are not even on your list.

So much crap ahead of J.R Murphy, I mean Eduardo Nunez and Chris Garcia, seriously?

If you can read, I said that Dunn and Melancon wouldnt be on the list since they made their debuts. And I like some performance instead of all hype. Heathcott hardly played

Dipre · 12-23-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch;511824;

actually, diony did

Fair enough. Never said that myself though.

diony · 12-23-2009, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch;511825;

If you can read, I said that Dunn and Melancon wouldnt be on the list since they made their debuts. And I like some performance instead of all hype. Heathcott hardly played

And Gary Sanchez is your #11 prospect

Keeper · 12-23-2009, 06:53 PM

On the whole, I think it's difficult for fans to rate prospects. We may have access to scouting reports and stats, but generally you have to go by what other people say and draw your own conclusions.