Interesting take on the Yankees from foxsports.com

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Originally Posted by 26 Reasons to Hate Us

But also rician, as far as your Abreu comment, the writer mentions how the Yankees being able to take on that contract actually helps a team like the Phils. They can use the money they saved to rebuild and add 2-3 quality guys for the money they were paying one guy in Abreu. Do you think the Rangers would be as good of a team now (although they're not great) had they not been able to dump A-Rod's contract?

I agree that trade helped the Phillies...as this type of trade has helped the Marlins and countless other teams in the past. My point was that with NO LIMIT and ONE TEAM willing and able to spend $200M+ per year, that team will have a huge advantage in acquiring players, particularly in free agency and in the case of trading deadline trades, over all other teams.

It makes sense for the dumping team...and apparently it doesn't phase the Yanks...but other teams do not have that luxury.

Mind you I am not complaining nor am I crying poor mouth for the Sox. I suppose you could say I'm reminding everyone not to get too emotionally hung up on their team's effort in trying to win a title, as the odds are not in their favor but in the favor of the Yanks.

That's just just the way it is...somethings will never change.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Originally Posted by 26 Reasons to Hate Us

Right, but the same thing happens in cap systems too. Look at the NFL. The Redskins have been in 'salary cap hell' for years supposedly, but every year Snyder is able to throw money at the problem by restructuring contracts and paying the players in ways that don't count as much against the cap. Cash creates cap in the NFL, and the same would be true in MLB. Sure, the Yankees do what they can to circumvent the rules and have an unfair advantage right now, but they would find a way to do it with a cap too.

But also rician, as far as your Abreu comment, the writer mentions how the Yankees being able to take on that contract actually helps a team like the Phils. They can use the money they saved to rebuild and add 2-3 quality guys for the money they were paying one guy in Abreu. Do you think the Rangers would be as good of a team now (although they're not great) had they not been able to dump A-Rod's contract?

Although I concede that the Yanks, Sox, and a few other large market teams will still find a way to dominate in a cap environment, bringing the NFL, more specifically the Redskins is a bad choice. They have implemented the Forty Niners financial playbook meaning mortgaging the future. It killed the Niners for years ( and still will ), the Skins are just starting to feel the repercussions. The Yanks and Sox are too smart for that.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Originally Posted by Sox Fan on Cape

Although I concede that the Yanks, Sox, and a few other large market teams will still find a way to dominate in a cap environment, bringing the NFL, more specifically the Redskins is a bad choice. They have implemented the Forty Niners financial playbook meaning mortgaging the future. It killed the Niners for years ( and still will ), the Skins are just starting to feel the repercussions. The Yanks and Sox are to smart for that.

How are the skins feeling the repurcussions? They have been pushing money to the future for years and it hasn't caught up to them yet. Every year sports writers say this is the year that it all comes crashing down for them, and nothing happens. All they did this year was spend a ton of money in Free Agency on marginal players, and parted ways with one backup LB in Lavar Arrington. They re-structured all of their high salary players, instead paying out the money to them in bonuses so that the players did not end up losing any money at all. They also hired a OC for head coach money, and gave their DC head coach money as well, since that does not count against the cap. The Redskins truly are masters at manipulating the cap and working the system, and it would be crazy to think that the Yankees and Sox would not do the same.

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Originally Posted by Sox Fan on Cape

Although I concede that the Yanks, Sox, and a few other large market teams will still find a way to dominate in a cap environment,

Let's just be sure its understood that under the current system the Yankees have a much greater advantage than any other team...and not characterize this as though the Sox and Yanks and other large market teams are on an equal playing field. The Yankees advantage over the second highest salaried team is approx 4 times that of the Sox over the next three teams:

Yankees $200m+
Sox $120m
WHite Sox $103m
Mets $101m
Dodgers $100m

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Originally Posted by rician blast

Let's just be sure its understood that under the current system the Yankees have a much greater advantage than any other team...and not characterize this as though the Sox and Yanks and other large market teams are on an equal playing field. The Yankees advantage over the second highest salaried team is approx 4 times that of the Sox over the next three teams:

Yankees $200m+
Sox $120m
WHite Sox $103m
Mets $101m
Dodgers $100m

I was taking about under a salary cap ( as I stated ). Also, you math and numbers are wrong. But who really cares, you're comparing apples and oranges, while talking about choice meats.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Originally Posted by 26 Reasons to Hate Us

How are the skins feeling the repurcussions? They have been pushing money to the future for years and it hasn't caught up to them yet. Every year sports writers say this is the year that it all comes crashing down for them, and nothing happens. All they did this year was spend a ton of money in Free Agency on marginal players, and parted ways with one backup LB in Lavar Arrington. They re-structured all of their high salary players, instead paying out the money to them in bonuses so that the players did not end up losing any money at all. They also hired a OC for head coach money, and gave their DC head coach money as well, since that does not count against the cap. The Redskins truly are masters at manipulating the cap and working the system, and it would be crazy to think that the Yankees and Sox would not do the same.

We agree on the Sox and Yanks. As far as the Skins go, I'll give you a little advice, you can't borrow your way out of debt. You can restructure all you want, but the debt is still there.

[CrespoBlows]

Originally Posted by 26 Reasons to Hate Us

How are the skins feeling the repurcussions? They have been pushing money to the future for years and it hasn't caught up to them yet. Every year sports writers say this is the year that it all comes crashing down for them, and nothing happens. All they did this year was spend a ton of money in Free Agency on marginal players, and parted ways with one backup LB in Lavar Arrington. They re-structured all of their high salary players, instead paying out the money to them in bonuses so that the players did not end up losing any money at all. They also hired a OC for head coach money, and gave their DC head coach money as well, since that does not count against the cap. The Redskins truly are masters at manipulating the cap and working the system, and it would be crazy to think that the Yankees and Sox would not do the same.

The Redskins are not masters at dominating the cap. No one is. In fact, the only true way to manipulate the cap is to cheat. Much like the Denver Broncos did during their run. What the Redskins are doing is perfectly legal. They avoid paying large salary bonuses to players. By avoiding that, they can release the players in the middle of their contract, and can avoid a massive hit to their salary caps. Ask yourself this though, in this day of NFL contracts, would you sign without a large bonus?

Manipulating the cap still doesn't seem to be working. The Redskins haven't had a winning season since 1999 (save for '06). Remember the Bruce Smith, and Deion Sanders disasters? That probably inhibited the Redskins to get back up to the top during those years. Besides, even now the Redskins aren't adding top-flight football players. Unless you consider Randle-El, and Brandon Lloyd to be top-flight.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

Originally Posted by CrespoBlows

The Redskins are not masters at dominating the cap. No one is. In fact, the only true way to manipulate the cap is to cheat. Much like the Denver Broncos did during their run. What the Redskins are doing is perfectly legal. They avoid paying large salary bonuses to players. By avoiding that, they can release the players in the middle of their contract, and can avoid a massive hit to their salary caps. Ask yourself this though, in this day of NFL contracts, would you sign without a large bonus?

Manipulating the cap still doesn't seem to be working. The Redskins haven't had a winning season since 1999 (save for '06). Remember the Bruce Smith, and Deion Sanders disasters? That probably inhibited the Redskins to get back up to the top during those years. Besides, even now the Redskins aren't adding top-flight football players. Unless you consider Randle-El, and Brandon Lloyd to be top-flight.

Whether or not it's working is irrelevant (although it seems to be now). Buying championships isn't easy, just ask Snyder and Steinbrenner.

The Bruce Smith/Deion Sanders years were when Snyder was running the team. He has now handed control to Gibbs and is doing exactly what Gibbs wants him to do as far as personnel. While you are right in that the skins aren't adding top-flite football players, they are adding the best free agent players available at the position, and paying them like even better players than they are. That's exactly what the Yankees do. They pay a little more than any other team would be willing to, even for only the guys who are the best available.

Would you give a guy like Adam Archuleta a 6yr 30 million dollar deal? That's the same deal that Roy Williams got, and they are hardly the same player. They gave Randle El 7 years and 31 mil. Burress, a #1 WR, not a #3 like Randle El, got 6 and 25.

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Originally Posted by Sox Fan on Cape

I was taking about under a salary cap ( as I stated ). Also, you math and numbers are wrong. But who really cares, you're comparing apples and oranges, while talking about choice meats.

You stated that under a cap environment the large market teams would still dominate...and I drew the important distinction that not all large market teams are on a level playing field....and that the Yanks advantage is much greater over all of the other so-called "large market teams"...the apples to oranges comparison was performed by you...not I. Your focus on meat is an entirely different, and slightly scary, issue.

As for the numbers, they come from the USA Today Salaries Database and while I was working off memory I was incredibly close...double checking, here is what they report for the top 5 (this was prepared in early 2006, so some changes would probably have taken place, but the numbers should be a damn good baseline):

Yankees $194.663m (plus '06 in-season moves which have them topping $200m)
Red Sox $120.099m
Angels $103.472m
White Sox $102.751m
Mets $101.085m

so if the numbers are off nominally...and we agree that these are pretty damn accurate...let's check the math, which you say is flawed:

The Yankees advantage over the Sox is approx....... $80m
The Sox advantage over the next three teams is approx..... $20m

Isn't $80m 4 TIMES MORE than $20M, as I stated?

[CrespoBlows]

Whether or not it's working is irrelevant (although it seems to be now). Buying championships isn't easy, just ask Snyder and Steinbrenner.

Having money to spend gives you a leg up on your competitors. Surely you're not denying that.

Originally Posted by 26 Reasons to Hate Us

Would you give a guy like Adam Archuleta a 6yr 30 million dollar deal? That's the same deal that Roy Williams got, and they are hardly the same player. They gave Randle El 7 years and 31 mil. Burress, a #1 WR, not a #3 like Randle El, got 6 and 25.

Signing bonus wasn't as high as the contracr Roy Williams signed. If any of those players survive the length of their contracts, I'll be shocked.

Brian Griese got 6 and 30. Do you really expect this guy to last that long? He's more fragile then my grandfather, and he has osteoporosis.