Yankees trying for Clemens, earlier start to season? - Talksox

jacksonianmarch · 12-31-2006, 08:31 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...nkees.johnson/

The Clemens to NY rumors are starting to heat up. Obviously, it is media speculation at this point, but from the sounds of it, Roger hates RJ. moving RJ makes things a world better for him to potentially return to NY. And while most people have him pencilled into Houston, sources close to him say he misses the drama of NY and would like a return trip. The attempt by the yankees is to try and lure Roger to the Bronx for an earlier start than June 22nd, even if they need to offer a contract in excess of 20 million. There are TONS of Clemens articles today, will post them all (and some are from the boston papers and all signs point to NY).

jacksonianmarch · 12-31-2006, 10:13 AM

well, a lot of the same stuff. Nothing revolutionary.

CrespoBlows · 12-31-2006, 12:58 PM

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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...nkees.johnson/

The Clemens to NY rumors are starting to heat up. Obviously, it is media speculation at this point, but from the sounds of it, Roger hates RJ. moving RJ makes things a world better for him to potentially return to NY. And while most people have him pencilled into Houston, sources close to him say he misses the drama of NY and would like a return trip. The attempt by the yankees is to try and lure Roger to the Bronx for an earlier start than June 22nd, even if they need to offer a contract in excess of 20 million. There are TONS of Clemens articles today, will post them all (and some are from the boston papers and all signs point to NY).

They all seem to saying that the Yankees will TRY for Clemens. No word on whether he's going to actually go there.

jacksonianmarch · 12-31-2006, 01:53 PM

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They all seem to saying that the Yankees will TRY for Clemens. No word on whether he's going to actually go there.

If Clemens really despised RJ as much as is speculated, then I have to think the fog is lifting a bit. I dont think Houston is waiting for him this season. Williams was brought in as was Jennings to replace Pettitte and Clemens. I think he'll find Houston offering a sub 10mil offer for half season, and he wont fly with that.

Consider this for a second. Boston has no opening for him in the rotation. NY now does. Boston has nobody he played with at all left on that roster. NY has Jeter, Posada, Mariano and then his "favorite manager" in Torre. Boston has none of his friends on that team aside from a kid he inspired so long ago in Schilling. NY has his best friend in Pettitte. NY right now, on paper is the better team, and going to NY tips the scales ever further. I think it would be blind fandom to think that Clemens to NY isnt a likely scenario. Who knows what he is thinking and he could all of a sudden turn around and go to Texas for all we know. But the stars are aligning for a Bronx return. Lets see if he takes it.

a700hitter · 12-31-2006, 02:03 PM

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If Clemens really despised RJ as much as is speculated, then I have to think the fog is lifting a bit. I dont think Houston is waiting for him this season. Williams was brought in as was Jennings to replace Pettitte and Clemens. I think he'll find Houston offering a sub 10mil offer for half season, and he wont fly with that.

Consider this for a second. Boston has no opening for him in the rotation. NY now does. Boston has nobody he played with at all left on that roster. NY has Jeter, Posada, Mariano and then his "favorite manager" in Torre. Boston has none of his friends on that team aside from a kid he inspired so long ago in Schilling. NY has his best friend in Pettitte. NY right now, on paper is the better team, and going to NY tips the scales ever further. I think it would be blind fandom to think that Clemens to NY isnt a likely scenario. Who knows what he is thinking and he could all of a sudden turn around and go to Texas for all we know. But the stars are aligning for a Bronx return. Lets see if he takes it.

Here come your Dice-K type delusions again., I guess we will be treated to a whole host of unsubstantiated theories about Clemens coming to NY. I'm on record, and I will not bore you with long-winded theories and rationalizations. If he doesn't go to Houston, he will come to Boston. As for there not being a spot in the Red Sox rotation, I am still laughing. Wakefield will get a non-stop, first class ticket to the pen as the long man faster than you can believe.

jacksonianmarch · 12-31-2006, 02:54 PM

just hold your ears, sit back and pray my friend. Face it, if old clem is truly considering leaving houston, he'll be in pinstripes.

get a good look baby! LOL.

a700hitter · 12-31-2006, 03:01 PM

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just hold your ears, sit back and pray my friend. Face it, if old clem is truly considering leaving houston, he'll be in pinstripes.

get a good look baby! LOL.

If you want to know where Clemens will go look for the best financial opportunity. Everything else is just empty rationalization.

BTW: Just wanted to remind you that the Dice-man did not goe back to the Lions. You were pretty sure about that being the result of the FO Bullshit offer of $7-8 million/year.

jacksonianmarch · 12-31-2006, 03:07 PM

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If you want to know where Clemens will go look for the best financial opportunity. Everything else is just empty rationalization.

BTW: Just wanted to remind you that the Dice-man did not goe back to the Lions. You were pretty sure about that being the result of the FO Bullshit offer of $7-8 million/year.

Dice K didnt have any other options in the majors. Big Clem is a FA. He'll be bought by NY if he opens up the bidding outside of Houston. I guarantee it!

CrespoBlows · 12-31-2006, 03:08 PM

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If Clemens really despised RJ as much as is speculated, then I have to think the fog is lifting a bit. I dont think Houston is waiting for him this season. Williams was brought in as was Jennings to replace Pettitte and Clemens. I think he'll find Houston offering a sub 10mil offer for half season, and he wont fly with that.

Houston isn't going to be beaten out for Clemens. Why would the snub Clemens? So they can face a fanbase revolt? He's going back to Houston. He lives twenty minutes from the stadium, and they are going to pay him fairly.

Do you seriously think that Williams was brought in to replace Clemens? That's probably the most asinine thing I've ever read.

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Consider this for a second. Boston has no opening for him in the rotation. NY now does.

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NY right now, on paper is the better team, and going to NY tips the scales ever further.

New York has two glaring holes at the back-end of their rotation, yet they're the stronger team? Amazing.

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NY has his best friend in Pettitte.

What are they, gay? He's probably going to go to where his family is. That's in Houston.

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I think it would be blind fandom to think that Clemens to NY isnt a likely scenario.

It's blind fandom to think that Houston is going to lowball him.

jacksonianmarch · 12-31-2006, 03:12 PM

the yankees have one glaring hole in their rotation if RJ goes. If you are gonna lock down one spot on the top with Matsuzaka, you have to give us a spot on our bottom of the rotation with Igawa. Our 5 spot is gonna be wide open. Pavano, Karstens and Rasner can fight it out until Clemens comes to claim the spot.

CrespoBlows · 12-31-2006, 03:15 PM

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the yankees have one glaring hole in their rotation if RJ goes. If you are gonna lock down one spot on the top with Matsuzaka, you have to give us a spot on our bottom of the rotation with Igawa. Our 5 spot is gonna be wide open. Pavano, Karstens and Rasner can fight it out until Clemens comes to claim the spot.

Why? Matsuzaka is twice the pitcher Igawa is. Igawa can't break a pane of glass with his fastball, plus his extreme flyball tendencies are going to cripple him in the AL East. If he keeps his ERA in the low 5.00's then he'll be a success, but that's not what you want out of your 4th starter.

jacksonianmarch · 12-31-2006, 03:20 PM

You want durability out of your 4th starter. Igawa averaged 200IP for the past 6 seasons. Plus, the fact that he led the league in K's 3 times doesnt get any credit here, cmon now. If you are gonna throw your hat in the ring thinking Matsuzaka is an ace, then you gotta give us the theory that Igawa can at least be a 4.

a700hitter · 12-31-2006, 03:21 PM

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Dice K didnt have any other options in the majors.

You didn't grasp that no matter how many times I reminded you about it. Was it you or Gom that engaged in all the scenarios of Boras challenging the posting system, buying the contract from Seibu, etc., etc. I am pretty sure it was you. You didn't listen to sound reasoning then and you are not listening now.

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Big Clem is a FA. He'll be bought by NY if he opens up the bidding outside of Houston. I guarantee it!

You are missing the bigger picture. Boston and NY and probably even Houston can offer similar types of one year or pro-rated one year packages. They were within pennies of each other last year. He went with Houston, because it gave him the money plus his comfort. And he will go that way again if Houston throws in. If Houston opts out, Boston and the Yankees will offer essentially the same one-year package. The decision will be made by other factors. The allure of the enormous additional marketing possibilities in Boston will tilt the scales in Boston's favor. I've explained this for the last time. I'm not going to be a broken record like you were on Dice-K. When he makes his decision, one of us will rub this post in the others face.

jacksonianmarch · 12-31-2006, 03:30 PM

Handshake deal then? I think someone should be somebody's bitch in their sig line for a month if Clem chooses an AL East team. If he goes back to houston, none of us win. Deal?

a700hitter · 12-31-2006, 03:42 PM

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Handshake deal then? I think someone should be somebody's bitch in their sig line for a month if Clem chooses an AL East team. If he goes back to houston, none of us win. Deal?

Deal.