Yankees got a hoss in Ross - Page 2 - Talksox

Mr Crunchy · 01-05-2007, 02:53 PM

sure they are
but every year there are a couple names out there that will be available to our clubs
every year in july one of these teams that has a stable of arms will deal out of fiscal need as well
add this to the fact that the far east is coming on like crazy and that pitchers are going into their 40s then it seems to me that every year there will be a arms to buy

it isnt prudent and id rather pay jon lester 350k than barry zito 150M but it is what it is
i am pleasantly surprised with theos drafting
theyve done real well
good
trade em
go get me a fucking closer who has an era under double digits and i can rest till march while kansas city or miami worries about developing craig hansens slider

a700hitter · 01-05-2007, 11:33 PM

Another pointless thread about an over-hyped prospect received in return for a HOF pitcher. Congrats! He will not beat us in 2007, so I don't care.

jacksonianmarch · 01-05-2007, 11:34 PM

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Another pointless thread about an over-hyped prospect received in return for a HOF pitcher. Congrats! He will not beat us in 2007, so I don't care.

Ooooooooooooooo my jealousy.

If we give up today for tomorrow, I am alright with that. BTW, there is a chance he will beat you in 07.

a700hitter · 01-05-2007, 11:41 PM

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Ooooooooooooooo my jealousy.

If we give up today for tomorrow, I am alright with that. BTW, there is a chance he will beat you in 07.

It's just such a bore to be discussing this nobody in such detail. I play softball on two teams in NYC with some hardcore Yankee fans, and I'd be surprised if one of them ever heard of this guy prior to this trade. I'm glad that your glad that you no longer have Randy Johnson. I am too, and this Ross the Hoss doesn't concern me one for 2007.

jacksonianmarch · 01-06-2007, 01:03 AM

what about for 08 and beyond Mr 700?

a700hitter · 01-06-2007, 01:09 AM

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what about for 08 and beyond Mr 700?

What does Joe Torre have to say about 2008? I f he doesn't care, why should I care. Also, if I plunk down $30 in parking plus $130 for two tier box seats to watch someone like Karstens get lit up in 2007, it would be no comfort to me that Ross the Hoss maybe, could be, might be on the '08 team. I'd rather watch Randy Johnson.

jacksonianmarch · 01-06-2007, 01:54 AM

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What does Joe Torre have to say about 2008? I f he doesn't care, why should I care. Also, if I plunk down $30 in parking plus $130 for two tier box seats to watch someone like Karstens get lit up in 2007, it would be no comfort to me that Ross the Hoss maybe, could be, might be on the '08 team. I'd rather watch Randy Johnson.

I honestly think that given a full season Karstens and RJ would put up similar numbers at this stage of their careers.

jacksonianmarch · 01-08-2007, 08:56 AM

This is the scout.com scouting report released today by the DBacks people on Ross Ohlendorf

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Of the four prospects the Diamondbacks gave up for the Big Unit, Ross Ohlendorf may be missed the most. He does not necessarily have a brighter future than Alberto Gonzalez does, but an organization can't have too many talented young pitchers. Where Gonzalez would have been hard pressed to land a starting job with the Diamondbacks, Ohlendorf might be ready to impact the majors right now.

Vitals:

Name: Curtis R. Ohlendorf
Position: Starting Pitcher
DOB: 08/08/1982
Height: 6'4”
Weight: 235 lbs
B/T: R/R

History: There had been speculation that Ross Ohlendorf would be the number one overall pick of the 2004. And why not? He was already big, and some thought he would even grow another inch or two in height. He threw in the mid-to-upper 90's, showing decent command of that fastball. And he was playing at Princeton, so there was little question that he'd be able to figure out the subtleties of pitching.

But apparently 29 teams did question it. Ohlendorf fell to the fourth round of that draft as his velocity fell to the low-90's. He never did gain those extra couple of inches. He did, however, really learn how to pitch. Ohlendorf had begun using a sinking fastball, which necessarily comes in a little slower than the four-seamer. While most organizations shied away from the big lad, the Diamondbacks still saw great potential, and were able to develop Ohlendorf into a fine young prospect.

The Yankees wouldn't have asked about him a year ago. Ross was coming off of just a passable season at Low-A South Bend, when suddenly the sinker really clicked in 2006. Diamondbacks Director of Player Development AJ Hinch considers Ohlendorf to be the pitcher who took the biggest leap forward in the entire organization last year.

[We] found out how well his sinker plays when he throws strikes," analyzed Hinch. "He's got impeccable control, and you can't overstate how important that is to a pitcher at his level."

Last year, Ohlendorf averaged just over one walk allowed per start, and that contributed greatly to his overall success. The Diamondbacks "sold high," as it were. Some might criticize the organization for not tasting the fruit of the tree they planted, but every farmer has to bring some good fruit with him to the marketplace.

"Our job is to get as many players as possible as ready as possible for the big leagues," Hinch reiterated. "If those guys play in the big leagues for us, great, but if they help us acquire other talented players, we're still doing our job."

Pitches: Once Ohlendorf really gained that good command of his sinker, it became his most dominant pitch. Sound familiar? It should. The same thing happened to Brandon Webb, and it transformed him into a Cy Young Award winner. The fact that Ohlendorf was able to master this control several years younger than Webb points towards a bright future indeed.

Lost in the glory of Ohlendorf's newly enhanced sinker is his plus curveball. His hammer has a hard dip to it, and it's tailing action makes him nearly unhittable against fellow right-handers. His changeup does still need work, though. Ohlendorf needs that change to fade better against lefties in order to prevent them from just sitting on his sinker.

Prediction: Dustin Nippert and Micah Owings were the other two top pitching prospects discussed in the Randy Johnson trade talks. Did the Yankees make the right choice in Ohlendorf? Arizona would probably only have sent three players in the deal had one of them been named Owings. But while the younger Owings is ranked higher on the FutureBacks 50, there are some evaluators who would have taken Ross Ohlendorf over Micah Owings straight up.

"He's more polished than Nippert, with better stuff than Owings; its just a matter of putting it together," said one Southern League scout.

Major League Clone: Zach Duke

ETA: Ohlendorf would have battled for the fifth starter's slot all year with Arizona were it not for the trade. He moves to an organization that is stockpiling young pitching, but one that has a history of favoring veterans over youngsters at the major league level. Some of these Yankee pitching prospects are going to be dealt before this time next year, but it remains to be seen where Ohlendorf himself fits into their plans.

Nevertheless, he'll be in some team's front five by the start of the 2008 season.

Read more from Keith Glab at BaseballEvolution.com

not too shabby. I have a feeling that Cashman plans on keeping this kid. Owings seems to be the most valuable chip to the majority of teams out there, but they chose this kid cause they think he's gonna be good. Makes me think he'll hit the majors a Yankee.

a700hitter · 01-08-2007, 10:36 AM

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Major League Clone: Zach Duke

What potential!

jacksonianmarch · 01-08-2007, 11:48 AM

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What potential!

you would take Zach Duke on your team at a moments notice and you know it.

a700hitter · 01-08-2007, 11:50 AM

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you would take Zach Duke on your team at a moments notice and you know it.

As a 4th or 5th starter, maybe I would, but being a 4th or 5th starter is not great upside potential. If he falls a bit short of that, he'll be a bum.

jacksonianmarch · 01-08-2007, 11:52 AM

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As a 4th or 5th starter, maybe I would, but being a 4th or 5th starter is not great upside potential. If he falls a bit short of that, he'll be a bum.

Duke is a #2-#3 starter potential and currently is a 4. Ohlendorf has the same potential.

a700hitter · 01-08-2007, 12:00 PM

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Duke is a #2-#3 starter potential and currently is a 4. Ohlendorf has the same potential.

So...Ohlendorf has the potential to have Zach Duke's potential or the potential to be what Zach Duke is now which is a 200 inning pitcher in the NL with a 4.50 ERA and 117 k's? I don't get it. Either way it is not a very high ceiling. Who is the # 3 pitcher on Pittsburgh? Answer: Some punching bag. Who cares?

jacksonianmarch · 01-09-2007, 10:25 PM

Jim Callis' take

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Quick Take
Though the Diamondbacks didn't surrender a blue-chip prospect, the cost of a $24 million contract, a useful big league reliever and three solid minor leaguers is high for a 43-year-old pitcher on the decline. The Yankees got rid of a pitcher who never fit in well in New York, fortified their bullpen with Vizcaino and added more depth to their farm system.

example1 · 01-09-2007, 10:34 PM

I think its funny that it compares him to Brandon Webb in the story, but then says his ML clone is Zach Duke. I'd rather have Webb.