Pavano-ginitis on the chopping block

[He Hate Me]

Originally Posted by rician blast

Huh? ARod owns up to sh*t?

ARod actually owns up to TOO much...his constant striving for personal perfection, fan adoration and team acceptance drives him to accept responsibility for EVERYTHING that goes wrong in the Bronx.


So exactly how is it that he fails to accept responsibility? I'd say that because of his ego, he actually shifts TOO MUCH blame and responsibility unto himself. In fact it is that self-centeredness that I most dislike about him. I'm not 100% sure whether he sincerely thinks he means that much to the outcome of every game or if it's just an act...but whatever the case, I think he's shown a proclivity to heap responsibility upon himself, right or wrong.

Right on the money. This is exactly what I think as well. The guy is constantly PUBLICLY beating himself up, but it just seems so damn insincere. There is definetely a underlying arrogance that ARod can't seem to keep down.

[Mr Crunchy]

arod is an enigma
his off the field behavior is stellar
hes been healthy,his #s are incredible over his career,he won an mvp and he plays gold glove defense

for every yankee fan that likes him
5 want him released on waivers and i think its due to the issues mr hate me stated

if arod said
the sky is blue he would still come off sounding like a pompous asswipe

what sealed the deal was his back and forth over the WBC last spring
dominica,usa,puerto rico,micronesia,all of them were on his list
he looked like a fool

somehow manny gets under the radar with his contract
arod cant and its got a lot to do with his playoff #s but also a lot to do with his trying too hard to be the GQ man of the year

it comes easy for jetsey
arod struggles

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by He Hate Me

Right on the money. This is exactly what I think as well. The guy is constantly PUBLICLY beating himself up, but it just seems so damn insincere. There is definetely a underlying arrogance that ARod can't seem to keep down.

right. it's engrained in his being and he can't help himself. So the issue isn't lack of accepting responsibility, its the arrogance he thinks is character that we see right through. And again, I'm not sure he he is deliberately arrogant at all...he's just being himself and that's the way his psyche functions.

[BudLight]

Originally Posted by rician blast

right. it's engrained in his being and he can't help himself. So the issue isn't lack of accepting responsibility, its the arrogance he thinks is character that we see right through. And again, I'm not sure he he is deliberately arrogant at all...he's just being himself and that's the way his psyche functions.

I never thought I would be defending Arod, but your statement about his arrogance and that he is just being himself needs some defense. Do you think he has always been this way? Think for a minute about any pro sport and an athlete from that sport who was billed as the greatest to come along in a long, long time. Are they cocky, you bet, arrogant, sure and after hearing that for a few years and then that talk to be validated with a $200M + contract, it's no wonder he is so pompous.

[jacksonianmarch]

ARod talks to the media. Manny doesnt. If you befriend the media, eventually they will skewer you. If you are an ass to the media, all that will abound is speculation with no real facts. Its about time ARod adopts the Steve Carlton view of media.

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by BudLight

I never thought I would be defending Arod, but your statement about his arrogance and that he is just being himself needs some defense. Do you think he has always been this way? Think for a minute about any pro sport and an athlete from that sport who was billed as the greatest to come along in a long, long time. Are they cocky, you bet, arrogant, sure and after hearing that for a few years and then that talk to be validated with a $200M + contract, it's no wonder he is so pompous.

in your defense of ARod I think you are just further supporting my point. I'm not arguing about what caused his arrogance, just that his demeanor plays out in such a way that public perception includes a questioning of his sincerity when he does constantly own up beyond what he is truly responsible for. This is not an attack on the guy...in fact I think I've been indirectly defending him myself here.

[Mr Crunchy]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

ARod talks to the media. Manny doesnt. If you befriend the media, eventually they will skewer you. If you are an ass to the media, all that will abound is speculation with no real facts. Its about time ARod adopts the Steve Carlton view of media.

this is fantasy
arod cant help himself and his image consultants never would allow him to avoid the press

[jacksonianmarch]

I know it wont happen. He cares too much about things outside of his baseball career to focus solely upon his job.

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

I know it wont happen. He cares too much about things outside of his baseball career to focus solely upon his job.

If you are saying he consciuosly cares about these other things more than BB I'd disagree. IMO he can't sepearate the image and the striving for perfection on all levels from the game...in a sense he puts to much pressure on himself trying to be all things to all people. And the Yankee fans are exacerbating the problem, which is really good news for other teams.

[ARod2212]

If he just kept his mouth shut and let his numbers talk for him, he'd be fine. I wish somebody would muzzle him.

And any Yankee fan with a pulse should realize that Rodriguez is the best third baseman in the league. We're not going to get anybody better than #13, why are you going to drive the guy away?

[riverside sluggers]

It was only a matter of time... http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_yl...v=ap&type=lgns

Pavano has an MRI done

[bosoxnation07]

They should just re-name the MRI to the Pavano...


Pavano is going to have some unforseen ailment when he gets older from all the MRI's he has had to take...

[riverside sluggers]

Just watch his name will be a catch phrase as well someday

I can see it now GMs in the near future (mightve already happened) talking to the agents for pitchers on the market "Now I dont want him to pull a Pavano on us"

[Mr Crunchy]

i think mussina bruised his ego by calling him out last week

[bosoxnation07]

It's not hard to bruise anything on Pavano...