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He Hate Me · 02-20-2007, 06:33 PM

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I think Jeter took a better approach to this when he basically said, "Who cares?"

I think Aord was good in addressing it the way he did since they keep asking him about it every single day. Jeter's tepid response was just plain annoying. Everyone knows he's lying through the skin of his teeth when he says there is no rift. I lvoe Jeter, but when he's putting up some fake crap, I'll call hiim on it.

Sizzlin22 · 02-20-2007, 06:46 PM

A-Rod wants to be Jeter, and he's not nor will he ever be. God I hope he SUCKS this year just so the fans in the Bronx hassle him 'till the cows come home.

I am so glad I get YES.

a700hitter · 02-20-2007, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by He Hate Me

I think Aord was good in addressing it the way he did since they keep asking him about it every single day. Jeter's tepid response was just plain annoying. Everyone knows he's lying through the skin of his teeth when he says there is no rift. I lvoe Jeter, but when he's putting up some fake crap, I'll call hiim on it.

This statement by Jeter today speaks volumes. He said the same thing during the season when the fans and media were riding ARod:

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I don't think it's my job to tell fans to boo or not to boo.

With the respect Jeter commands among the fans and in the clubhouse, if he had just expressed that the fans and media should be patient, because ARod is a great player that would helped ARod through his tough time. This type of statement that he continues to make is not the supportive act of a team captain. He is acting petty through this thing. ARod has not created any controversy. He's never asked to play SS. In fact, when Jeter couldn't play, ARod said he didn't want to play SS. He was staying clear of creating any controversy, and let's face it, ARod is more comfortable at SS than 3B and he's a better SS than Jeter.

jacksonianmarch · 02-20-2007, 11:27 PM

I honestly think Jeter wants ARod to do this himself. ARod's comment a few yrs back was wrong, really wrong. I honestly think ARod allowed himself to go to the yankees so he could become bigger and better than Jeter. He was better in stats, but Jeter always had an aura around him for being a core member of the 4 championship runs. That was the last thing ARod had to prove to be the best SS in the game, even if he wasnt going to be the shortstop. He wanted this. He brought this on so he can be the best. He hasnt handled it to this point. And as shitty as it might be, I dont think he opts out because he hasnt accomplished his mission. If the yankees win it all and ARod is an integral part of it, I think he is gone.

Sox Fan on Cape · 02-21-2007, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

I honestly think Jeter wants ARod to do this himself. ARod's comment a few yrs back was wrong, really wrong. I honestly think ARod allowed himself to go to the yankees so he could become bigger and better than Jeter. He was better in stats, but Jeter always had an aura around him for being a core member of the 4 championship runs. That was the last thing ARod had to prove to be the best SS in the game, even if he wasnt going to be the shortstop. He wanted this. He brought this on so he can be the best. He hasnt handled it to this point. And as shitty as it might be, I dont think he opts out because he hasnt accomplished his mission. If the yankees win it all and ARod is an integral part of it, I think he is gone.

I can see the Yanks winning it all at some point, however I can't see Arod being an integral part of it. The Yanks would have to win dispite Arod.

jacksonianmarch · 02-21-2007, 12:56 AM

that is what I am afraid of. This yr may be the yr that yankee fans give him a mild pardon though. We all know that he is an anchor in the postseason, but we need him to get there, and losing him via FA will be a major waste.

a700hitter · 02-21-2007, 01:00 AM

I think he'll go to another contender after the season. He knows that NY is biased in favor of Jeter, and that no matter what he does, he'll never achieve the prominence he craves in NY.

jacksonianmarch · 02-21-2007, 01:03 AM

the same questions will dog him and it will only get worse, not better. If he is to validate his career, he needs to do this in NY. This may be the yr, it seems like the perfect storm is brewing. He loses the weight, gets faster, stronger, etc. He plays MVP ball, carries it over into the playoffs, wins a WS and then gives NY fans a big fuck you as he exits. That is the only way he opts out.

Sox Fan on Cape · 02-21-2007, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

the same questions will dog him and it will only get worse, not better. If he is to validate his career, he needs to do this in NY. This may be the yr, it seems like the perfect storm is brewing. He loses the weight, gets faster, stronger, etc. He plays MVP ball, carries it over into the playoffs, wins a WS and then gives NY fans a big fuck you as he exits. That is the only way he opts out.

The flip side is he's so wired to achieve that he strikes out trying to hit the big homerun, throws the ball away trying to make the big play, etc. Arod is not a clutch player, Jeter is.

jacksonianmarch · 02-21-2007, 08:20 AM

I know that. If ARod doesnt get it this yr, he wont opt out and he'll be a yankee for the rest of that contract, continuously choking.

He Hate Me · 02-21-2007, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by a700hitter

This statement by Jeter today speaks volumes. He said the same thing during the season when the fans and media were riding ARod:With the respect Jeter commands among the fans and in the clubhouse, if he had just expressed that the fans and media should be patient, because ARod is a great player that would helped ARod through his tough time. This type of statement that he continues to make is not the supportive act of a team captain. He is acting petty through this thing. ARod has not created any controversy. He's never asked to play SS. In fact, when Jeter couldn't play, ARod said he didn't want to play SS. He was staying clear of creating any controversy, and let's face it, ARod is more comfortable at SS than 3B and he's a better SS than Jeter.

he is supportive...of people he likes. He told the fans not to boo Steroid Boy #1 (the big white guy) when the testimony first came out.

like I said, Jeter is one of my all time faves, but he's gotta suck it up and act like a captain. I don't need for him to hug it out with ARod, just stop being a baby about it and move on.

BudLight · 02-21-2007, 11:07 AM

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he is supportive...of people he likes. He told the fans not to boo Steroid Boy #1 (the big white guy) when the testimony first came out.

like I said, Jeter is one of my all time faves, but he's gotta suck it up and act like a captain. I don't need for him to hug it out with ARod, just stop being a baby about it and move on.

Jeter's comments yesterday were to the point in this whole issue. WTF does their personal friendship or lack there of have to do with their performance on the field. A-Rod knew when he signed with the Yanks that he would be the third baseman. Granted he is a better defensive SS than Jeter, but the situation in NY did not allow for A-Rod to play SS, Jeter is embedded there and will be until he decides to leave or retire. If A-Rod needs his $250M ego stroked in order to perform in the post season, maybe he should hire Dr. Phil to personally accompany him to playoff games. Jeter does his job as captain of the Yankees, he doesn't need to take up the personal struggles of his teammates. He leads on the field and that's what he is paid to do, period.

bosoxnation07 · 02-21-2007, 11:47 AM

The interview that Arod had a few years back that started all this was true at the time. When NY was winning championships( jeter was a significant player) but teams where not looking at stopping him. They wanted to stop Paul, Bernie, Tino. Jeter wasn't the #1 guy back then like he is now. Jeter is acting like a baby about the hole thing. Hes just mad someone said publicly, but if you truley are a baseball fan and know the game then you already new that he was a good player and an important one but he wasn't #1 on those teams. Jeter has had a great career, but you have to admit he has had a great line up around him for his whole career. Put Jeter in another line up and he will be good but nowhere near as good as he has been.

BudLight · 02-21-2007, 12:18 PM

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The interview that Arod had a few years back that started all this was true at the time. When NY was winning championships( jeter was a significant player) but teams where not looking at stopping him. They wanted to stop Paul, Bernie, Tino. Jeter wasn't the #1 guy back then like he is now. Jeter is acting like a baby about the hole thing. Hes just mad someone said publicly, but if you truley are a baseball fan and know the game then you already new that he was a good player and an important one but he wasn't #1 on those teams. Jeter has had a great career, but you have to admit he has had a great line up around him for his whole career. Put Jeter in another line up and he will be good but nowhere near as good as he has been.

I won't argue that Jeter has been surrounded by very good talent and that has added to his value to the Yankees. However, regardless if he was a "threat" or not back when they were winning championships, who the hell is ARod to make that comment to Esquire magazine. Would your "close friends" throw you under the bus like that? Let's hope not. Jeter is the captain of the Yanks, as such he is responsible for the on-field performance of his team and ensuring they mesh on the field. What happens off the field in the players personal lives is not his concern, to include his own personal life. The media is trying to stir up shit here with this whole line of questioning. Again, if A-rod needs to have a sense of belonging in order to perform, he needs to hire a shrink, not be concerned with his personal friendships.

He Hate Me · 02-21-2007, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BudLight

Jeter's comments yesterday were to the point in this whole issue. WTF does their personal friendship or lack there of have to do with their performance on the field. A-Rod knew when he signed with the Yanks that he would be the third baseman. Granted he is a better defensive SS than Jeter, but the situation in NY did not allow for A-Rod to play SS, Jeter is embedded there and will be until he decides to leave or retire. If A-Rod needs his $250M ego stroked in order to perform in the post season, maybe he should hire Dr. Phil to personally accompany him to playoff games. Jeter does his job as captain of the Yankees, he doesn't need to take up the personal struggles of his teammates. He leads on the field and that's what he is paid to do, period.

it is an issue because it has obviously affected ARod's performance on the field. If being a Captain was all about putting up stats, then Bonds would be the undisputed leader of the Giants. But why was Varitek more of a leader than a healthy Nomar? A captain HAS to do his best to get the best out of his teammates, and if that means swallowing your pride and at least ADDRESS THE FRIGGING ISSUE INSTEAD OF PRETENDING IT DOESN"T EXIST, then you go ahead and do that. Jeter has to take the initiative and run wtih this because it's obuivous ARod is walking on glass around Derek and it's affecting his game.