Down goes Karstens - Page 2 - Talksox

One Red Seat · 03-26-2007, 08:18 PM

Before last year his BB/9 trend was....

3.74
3.69
3.48

He had a bad year that broke the trend, but he'll improve. There aren't "typical" levels for developing pitchers because, well, they are developing.

riverside sluggers · 03-26-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

that is still 3.5 walks per 9 in the minors, something too high for a guy without lights out stuff. It also happened to be the lowest of any stop in his career. He is typically closer to 4, which is way too much for a guy without solid plus pitches. He needs refinement.

Youre saying that he doesnt have any solid plus pitches? I guess he just got lucky through out the minors posting sub 3 ERA's in the process

jacksonianmarch · 03-26-2007, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by riverside sluggers

Youre saying that he doesnt have any solid plus pitches? I guess he just got lucky through out the minors posting sub 3 ERA's in the process

I should have said plus plus pitches. He has a plus curve and from some scouting reports a plus heater. He doesnt have plus location though. My bad.

Gom · 03-26-2007, 10:09 PM

They both suck. Hughes and Lester. Screw them. I hope the Yankees trade Hughes for Santana at the All-Star break.

Mr Crunchy · 03-26-2007, 10:29 PM

then i will drive to minneappolis and kill carl pohlad for the sake of the good people in minnesota and baseballs general health
if they try me in minny or boston there isnt a jury alive that would convict me
the only place a conviction is possible is ft lauderdale tampa or the bronx

i thought phil hughes was a sure fire 15-18 game winner??

Gom · 03-26-2007, 10:32 PM

Jacks thinks so. I think he is EXTREMELY OVER-RATED. Hughes and Sanchez for Santana. YEAH BABY!

jacksonianmarch · 03-26-2007, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Crunchy

then i will drive to minneappolis and kill carl pohlad for the sake of the good people in minnesota and baseballs general health
if they try me in minny or boston there isnt a jury alive that would convict me
the only place a conviction is possible is ft lauderdale tampa or the bronx

i thought phil hughes was a sure fire 15-18 game winner??

Gom has never been very rational.

jacksonianmarch · 03-26-2007, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gom

Jacks thinks so. I think he is EXTREMELY OVER-RATED. Hughes and Sanchez for Santana. YEAH BABY!

what makes you say that. His EXTENSIVE Spring training experience.

TheKilo · 03-26-2007, 10:42 PM

Santana is not going anywhere.

jacksonianmarch · 03-26-2007, 10:43 PM

for this yr. I expect him to be dealt this offseason.

Mr Crunchy · 03-26-2007, 10:49 PM

not yet he aint
minny has been competetive and if liriano and radke stayed healthy they had a pop last year

jacksonianmarch · 03-26-2007, 10:55 PM

yes they did. But Radke is toast and Liriano will be back to form in Santana's first yr of his new contract.

Mr Crunchy · 03-26-2007, 11:10 PM

is there an owner with more personal bank than pohlad??
what an asshole
minny must be longing for the salad says of calvin griffith

example1 · 03-27-2007, 12:34 AM

First of all, Santana isn't going anywhere. What a STUPID discussion. You guys should feel lucky to get a guy like Dontrelle Willis via a trade for Hughes and sanchez, not Santana. Would you have traded Mariano Rivera 6 years ago for ANYTHING? I doubt it. Santana is MLB's best pitcher. The Twins are inclined to spend more money now (thanks to the refined CBA) and they have a solid young nucleus. You think they're going to sell that all for a pitching staff who is coming off a completely missed season and a young guy like Garza?

second, the Sox have plenty of pitching options that won't require Gabbard or Snyder to come into the picture until pretty late. Tavarez, Hansack, Lester would all get a shot first.

Of course all of this is moot, so I would ask that people go back and remember that it is the YANKEES who are dealing with pitching injuries, not the Sox. If the yankees collapse this season due to injuries make sure to blame the FO's inneptitude and the lacks of the players who DO play, rather than the injuries themselves.

jacksonianmarch · 03-27-2007, 02:50 AM

the yankees have far more depth in the pitching department than the sox do. If the yankees fail due to pitching injuries/ineffectiveness, then it isnt the FO's problem. They loaded the minors and gave Torre 7 starting pitchers from day 1.