Moose Mauled

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by example1

So, any Yankee fans concerned about Jeter? He was definitely limping around the bases tonight. I gotta give it to him, he is a TRUE gamer. Limping around the bases and batting the next inning, hustling as usual.

Is he heavier than he has been in the past?

Isn't it weird that there will be a 'last game' for Jeter someday? He seems like one of those immortal players who will die playing baseball.

He took a foul ball of the toe of his back foot. Even if he broke some toes, they heal very fast. I've played with broken toes. It's no big deal once the swelling goes down. He misses one game at most even if the toes are broken. I expect that he'll be in the lineup tomorrow.

He has been losing speed and range for the last couple of years. It's just becoming very noticeable. His range up the middle is nill. I hope he plays there for 3 or 4 more years. The middle will be a gaping hole.

[example1]

Originally Posted by CrespoBlows

He had a fucking bruised foot. You make it sound like he had gotten his foot amputated.

Maybe to your sensitive eyes. All I said was that he was limping but hustling nonetheless.

Is 195 pounds the fattest he's been? Jeter's never had a lot of range at SS, anyway. He could be regressing due to age, but I don't think he looks heavier.

It was probably just the combination of watching him struggle to run and the pinstripes that made him look heavier.

Holy shit, Strawman.

Wikipedia: A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

Given that I neither presented nor cited an argument, it is clear that you don't know what you're talking about or were asleep during the first 2 weeks of Logic class.

EDIT: did you mean "hyperbole"?

[CrespoBlows]

Originally Posted by example1

Maybe to your sensitive eyes. All I said was that he was limping but hustling nonetheless.



It was probably just the combination of watching him struggle to run and the pinstripes that made him look heavier.



Wikipedia: A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

Given that I neither presented nor cited an argument, it is clear that you don't know what you're talking about or were asleep during the first 2 weeks of Logic class.

EDIT: did you mean "hyperbole"?

I suppose you are right, I withdraw Strawman, and will insert "exaggerator."

EDIT* Melodramatic is the adjective I'm looking for.

[example1]

Originally Posted by CrespoBlows

I suppose you are right, I withdraw Strawman, and will insert "exaggerator."

It is obvious that I was exaggerating, but thanks for clarifying that. The entire forum is really, really glad you're here to clear that up.

My point was that I can't imagine the Yankees or baseball without Jeter.

[CrespoBlows]

Originally Posted by example1

It is obvious that I was exaggerating, but thanks for clarifying that. The entire forum is really, really glad you're here to clear that up.

So, any Yankee fans concerned about Jeter? He was definitely limping around the bases tonight. I gotta give it to him, he is a TRUE gamer. Limping around the bases and batting the next inning, hustling as usual.

I'm refering to this part. You aren't exaggerating. You seemed to believe that Jeter's injury was much more serious than it actually was. Hence the additions of true gamer, etc...

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Originally Posted by Manny Goes Boom

So is the velocity the concern, or his outing? Because much has been made of his ability to work with his lowered velocity, so I really never thought about that being the issue.

He can work at 88-90. He cant work as well at 85 MPH which is what he was at tonight add to the fact that he wasnt loctating at all and you have his effort tonight. However I'm confident as he throws more the more velocity he will pick up. He had this same problem before.

[a700hitter]

Originally Posted by example1

It is obvious that I was exaggerating, but thanks for clarifying that. The entire forum is really, really glad you're here to clear that up.

My point was that I can't imagine the Yankees or baseball without Jeter.

I can. I got over Mays, Mantle, Yaz, Gibson, Seaver, Rose, Bench and Rice leaving the game. Jeter hasn't made anywhere near the impression upon me as have each of those other guys.

[Gom]

Originally Posted by example1

So, any Yankee fans concerned about Jeter? He was definitely limping around the bases tonight. I gotta give it to him, he is a TRUE gamer. Limping around the bases and batting the next inning, hustling as usual.

Is he heavier than he has been in the past?

Isn't it weird that there will be a 'last game' for Jeter someday? He seems like one of those immortal players who will die playing baseball.

It will be sad. Jeter and Mo.

[Optimist]

What a horrible game (and start.) I know it was only the third game of the season, but that's really no excuse. The pitching and defense have been absolutely pathetic to this point. And to be completely honest, I am not at all impressed by this offense just yet. They can put runs up...except when it matters it seems

I wasn't even this frustrated with our 1 - 4 start last year.

[yankees228]

According to WFAN, Jeter told Larry Bowa in the middle of the game that his back was killing him. Not sure how this injury occured. However, X-Rays on his foot were negative and just done as a precaution. No word yet on his availability for today.

[yankees228]

Originally Posted by Optimist

What a horrible game (and start.) I know it was only the third game of the season, but that's really no excuse. The pitching and defense have been absolutely pathetic to this point. And to be completely honest, I am not at all impressed by this offense just yet. They can put runs up...except when it matters it seems

I wasn't even this frustrated with our 1 - 4 start last year.

Have to start hitting with RISP. With the exceptions of Cano and Posada no one really did this last night. Matsui also had a bloop single which drove in a run. Someone like Giambi had a few chances to change the game, but he couldn't even get the ball out of the infield (popped out with the bases loaded and one out in the third, and struck out with runners and first and second and one out in the seventh). He is just off to a slow start I guess.

[MANNYHOF24]

I think the Yankees rotation is in big trouble. I mean Pettitte had a bad year last year for the most part and he is 34. Mussina must be almost 40, and Pavano just sucks. Wang is the real deal, and Igawa could be lit up big time in the AL east. I will also say that because of their past performances Pettitte and Mussina could also have decent seasons, but there are a lot of question marks.

[yankees228]

Originally Posted by MANNYHOF24

I think the Yankees rotation is in big trouble. I mean Pettitte had a bad year last year for the most part and he is 34. Mussina must be almost 40, and Pavano just sucks. Wang is the real deal, and Igawa could be lit up big time in the AL east. I will also say that because of their past performances Pettitte and Mussina could also have decent seasons, but there are a lot of question marks.

To say that Pettitte had a bad year last year is simply not true. Yes, he had a subpar first half, but he had one of the best second halves of any pitcher last year.

Mussina age should not be brought into the conversation considering there are a lot of pitchers who are older than Mussina who are still successful.

Saying Pavano sucks is also a bit unfair. To say he is injury prone, and unreliable would be more on target. Pavano, when healthy, can be a dominant starting pitcher. Obviously I'm only looking at one year of his, but he has shown he is capable of it. Lets wait and see what he does this year, if he remains healthy, before we decided how good he really is.

Igawa is just what you said he is, a question mark. So that is also a wait and see. I pretty much agree with your assessment of him. But, especially earlier in the season, before there are complete scouting reports on him, it is possible that he could have some early success. He gets his first test today.

[example1]

I think the fact is that neither the Red Sox or Yankees are very happy with their performances thus far. The Sox can't hit at all. Beckett, Dice-K and Wakefield all pitched well enough to win but the offense--which is supposed to be the GOOD part of this team--hasn't started clicking yet.

The Yankees have had the 'advantage' of playing at home, although anyone who watched those games can see that Yankee stadium in early April isn't much fun for anyone. There has been a lot of ugliness in those games.

In short, I don't think that either of these teams is indicitive of what they will be throughout the season.

[MANNYHOF24]

Originally Posted by yankees228

To say that Pettitte had a bad year last year is simply not true. Yes, he had a subpar first half, but he had one of the best second halves of any pitcher last year.

Mussina age should not be brought into the conversation considering there are a lot of pitchers who are older than Mussina who are still successful.

Saying Pavano sucks is also a bit unfair. To say he is injury prone, and unreliable would be more on target. Pavano, when healthy, can be a dominant starting pitcher. Obviously I'm only looking at one year of his, but he has shown he is capable of it. Lets wait and see what he does this year, if he remains healthy, before we decided how good he really is.

Igawa is just what you said he is, a question mark. So that is also a wait and see. I pretty much agree with your assessment of him. But, especially earlier in the season, before there are complete scouting reports on him, it is possible that he could have some early success. He gets his first test today.

Pettitte last year gave up like 30 more hits than innings pitched. Mussina velocity has dropped more than other pitchers that are older than him, and Pavano had one good year, not dominant with the Marlins in the weak NL.