Joba's Future

[BudLight]

One piece of the puzzle here will be the health of Humberto Sanchez. If he returns healthy next Spring from TJ surgery, he would most likely be inserted into a starter role. He has more experience than Joba and some nasty stuff. His availability would also allow the Yankees some flexibility in any trades for a top starter by being able to offer one of their other young prospect pitchers.

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by Gom

Pettitte won't hang them up at all. He will not only play next year, but he will also play a few more years after that. This talk of Pettitte retiring is bullshit.

If the Yanks win it all this year you can conclusively say he'll pitch next year?

Secondly, Joba will be a starting pitcher next year. The Yankee rotation will be, in no particular order, Wang, Pettitte, Chamberlain, Hughes, Mussina/Kennedy. Mussina will eventually be replaced by Kennedy, and Pettitte, more than likely by Alan Horne or Ohlendorf.

They're gonna pay Mussina $11.5 million and just cut bait? Interesting...

BTW I'd love to see Dusseldorf in your rotation.

If Chamberlain falters, he will be back in the pen, but considering he doesn't have health issues, I see him as a starting pitcher next year.

Joba had triceps tendinitis. He's going to be pitching an increased # of innings. He's a big dude.

All of these things could result in injury. Not saying it will happen, but it will be something the Yanks keep an eye on.

The is some rumbling that Kennedy, Ohlendorf/Horne may be center pieces for Santana in the off-season. Just rumblings, but gaining steam.

Link? Source?

[Gom]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

If the Yanks win it all this year you can conclusively say he'll pitch next year?
They're gonna pay Mussina $11.5 million and just cut bait? Interesting...

No, but they'll probably make the loser of the Kennedy/Mussina competition the long man in the pen. These days, you need six starters due to projected injuries.

Originally Posted by TheKilo

Joba had triceps tendinitis. He's going to be pitching an increased # of innings. He's a big dude.

I'm not sure if you know about tendinitis, but it never really goes away. Most pitchers have it at one time or another. His size doesn't really have much to do with anything. This is not Papelbon with a bad wing.

Originally Posted by TheKilo

All of these things could result in injury. Not saying it will happen, but it will be something the Yanks keep an eye on.

True with any player at any position at any time. Not really a relevant comment.

Originally Posted by TheKilo

Link? Source?

On the radio. When you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. Right now, within two years, the Yankees have Chamberlain, Hughes, Wang, Kennedy, Ohlendorf, Alan Horne, and quite possibly Brackman and Sanchez all set for the Majors. I will give you Horne, Brackman, and Sanchez as iffy, but every one of the other pitchers has been in the majors this year. Basically, that means that the Yankees conceivably give up three of those pitchers for Santana and still have five starters. The Yankees have an abundance of young starting pitching prospects in their system.

I'm not one of those Yankee fans who believe that we can get Pujols for Andy Phillips and Ron Villone, but trying to look at it from the Twins point of view, it would be an interesting proposition, one that you can't dismiss out of hand, if you got back a package of Sanchez, Horne and Ohlendorf for Santana, considering you won't resign Santana and you potentially get 60% of your rotation in one trade inside of 2 years.

You can substitute any of the names except for Wang, and you can start to see what I'm talking about.

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by Gom

No, but they'll probably make the loser of the Kennedy/Mussina competition the long man in the pen. These days, you need six starters due to projected injuries.

I agree you need 6 guys, I just think it's funny you'll pay Mussina 11.5 million to be a longman.

Plus it'll break his routine, and the pussy will bitch about it.

I'm not sure if you know about tendinitis, but it never really goes away. Most pitchers have it at one time or another. His size doesn't really have much to do with anything. This is not Papelbon with a bad wing.

His size by himself, maybe not.

But prior arm issues + size + more innings than he's ever pitched = injury risk

True with any player at any position at any time. Not really a relevant comment.

Again, looking at all of the factors, it's something to keep an eye on.

On the radio. When you think about it, it makes a lot of sense. Right now, within two years, the Yankees have Chamberlain, Hughes, Wang, Kennedy, Ohlendorf, Alan Horne, and quite possibly Brackman and Sanchez all set for the Majors.

That's if all of your prize pitching prospects pan out, which we know never happens.

Out of that group I'll give you Chamberlain, Hughes, Wang, and maybe Kennedy to be on the Yanks staff in two years.

I will give you Horne, Brackman, and Sanchez as iffy, but every one of the other pitchers has been in the majors this year. Basically, that means that the Yankees conceivably give up three of those pitchers for Santana and still have five starters. The Yankees have an abundance of young starting pitching prospects in their system.

I'm not one of those Yankee fans who believe that we can get Pujols for Andy Phillips and Ron Villone, but trying to look at it from the Twins point of view, it would be an interesting proposition, one that you can't dismiss out of hand, if you got back a package of Sanchez, Horne and Ohlendorf for Santana, considering you won't resign Santana and you potentially get 60% of your rotation in one trade inside of 2 years.

You can substitute any of the names except for Wang, and you can start to see what I'm talking about.

I'd like to see a legitimate source before I believe the Yanks will send Horne and two question marks for Santana.

[Gom]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

I'd like to see a legitimate source before I believe the Yanks will send Horne and two question marks for Santana.

So, substitute Kennedy for Brackman or Sanchez.

Look, I'm not saying that this deal will get done, or anything like that. What I'm saying is the framework is there for a possible deal. The Yankees have a commodity that most teams want, which is young, high-ceiling starting pitching. The Yankees essentially traded Sheffield and Randy Johnson for Sanchez and Ohlendorf. Now that they've stockpiled, they are potentially overstocked soon. Look for them to turn some of those excess arms into upgrades.

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by Gom

So, substitute Kennedy for Brackman or Sanchez.

Look, I'm not saying that this deal will get done, or anything like that. What I'm saying is the framework is there for a possible deal. The Yankees have a commodity that most teams want, which is young, high-ceiling starting pitching. The Yankees essentially traded Sheffield and Randy Johnson for Sanchez and Ohlendorf. Now that they've stockpiled, they are potentially overstocked soon. Look for them to turn some of those excess arms into upgrades.

I've believed all along that the abundance of young arms were more likely potential trade bait in the near future than guys they planned to bring through the system.

I haven't followed their performance so I don't know their value...I do know some of these guys were highly touted when the Yanks landed them via the Sheff and/or Johnson moves.

Whether they acquire Santana? I don't know, but I think they'll get some talented pitching via a trade/eating salary this coming offseason.

[Gom]

Agreed. Basically, they need to replace Mussina and Pettitte in the next two years. I doubt that Giambi and Mussina will come off the books and the Yankees will do nothing with that money.

With Giambi, Mussina, and Pettitte coming off, that 47 million a year coming off the books in two years. With the young players on the payroll, and not eligible for arbitration, the Yankees can basically afford to sign a superstar player or two. I wonder when Pujols contract is up.

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by Gom

Agreed. Basically, they need to replace Mussina and Pettitte in the next two years. I doubt that Giambi and Mussina will come off the books and the Yankees will do nothing with that money.

With Giambi, Mussina, and Pettitte coming off, that 47 million a year coming off the books in two years. With the young players on the payroll, and not eligible for arbitration, the Yankees can basically afford to sign a superstar player or two. I wonder when Pujols contract is up.

ANy chance one of them is a re-signing...ARod?

[ARod2212]

Originally Posted by rician blast

ANy chance one of them is a re-signing...ARod?

That would be another 16 or so million off the books. Point taken, but that puts more money to use.



Anyway. I think Chamberlain has far too much potential to be used in the bullpen next season. He's got the stuff and the makeup to be an absolutely dominant starter in the big leagues. I think someone like Ohlendorf would fit better in the bullpen should it come down to it. With all the options the Yankees have with their young pitchers, I think using one of the brightest in Chamberlain as anything but your ace starter is a complete waste.

[jacksonianmarch]

I like Ohlie's stuff. Him and Sanchez would be very intriguing arms in that pen. I'd also like to see what Edwar can do in yr 2. Yr 1 hasnt been too good, but when he is on, he is untouchable.

[Gom]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

I like Ohlie's stuff. Him and Sanchez would be very intriguing arms in that pen. I'd also like to see what Edwar can do in yr 2. Yr 1 hasnt been too good, but when he is on, he is untouchable.

Edwar is not a major league caliber player. Wake up.

[jacksonianmarch]

that is until he plays well and then he'll be the best thing since sliced bread. Right? Now I know what they are talking about when they call us a mile wide and an inch deep. I am not saying he will dominate. Just intrigued by what he could bring to the table. He has a long way to go, but he has the capability to be very good. He just isnt there right now.

[TheKilo]

Jacko, you called Edwar Ramirez "untouchable?"

What does that make a guy like Manny Delcarmen?

[ARod2212]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

Jacko, you called Edwar Ramirez "untouchable?"

What does that make a guy like Manny Delcarmen?

When Good Ramirez pitches, he comes pretty close to being untouchable. 31 strikeouts in 21 innings is very good.

[TheKilo]

Originally Posted by ARod2212

When Good Ramirez pitches, he comes pretty close to being untouchable. 31 strikeouts in 21 innings is very good.

Player	IP	H	H/9	R	ER	ERA	HR	K	K/9	BB	BB/9	WHIP	ERA+
E. Ramirez	21	24	10.29	19	19	8.14	6	31	13.29	14	6	1.81	53
M. Delcarmen	44	28	5.27	11	10	2.05	4	41	8.39	17	3.48	1.023	223

I'll ask the question again. if Ramirez is untouchable, what does that make Delcarmen?