Joba's Future

[Gom]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

that is until he plays well and then he'll be the best thing since sliced bread. Right? Now I know what they are talking about when they call us a mile wide and an inch deep. I am not saying he will dominate. Just intrigued by what he could bring to the table. He has a long way to go, but he has the capability to be very good. He just isnt there right now.

Below average fastball, and a decent changeup that he can't control with any sort of efficiency. Tends to get extremely wild, which is terrible as a reliever. Just not a major league caliber player. You have a lot of trouble making it in this league if your fastball is 90 mph as a young 20+ year old. Personally, Jacko, I don't root for the Royals or the Pirates. Here in New York, we don't really bring up players who aren't major league caliber and hope that they "figure it out". Stop self-medicating Jacko.

Originally Posted by TheKilo

Jacko, you called Edwar Ramirez "untouchable?"

What does that make a guy like Manny Delcarmen?

If we had MDC on our team, Kilo, Jacko wouldn't trade him for Johan. Typical of most Yankee fans. Our shit doesn't stink. That's why I come to Talksox. You guys constantly keep me grounded, and helps keep me objective.

You know who's untouchable? No one. Not even Joba. If we had a chance of getting Santana for Joba, I would do it. [I know it would take more, but as a start]. Hughes, Kennedy, etc....all could be traded, maybe even should be traded if it can net the Yankees an ace in October. I've ripped you guys for the Beckett deal, but the truth is, where the deal will end up hurting you big time over the years, without that trade, you don't make the post-season this year [you could argue you would have made it last year if you didn't make the trade, fair enough], but that's what big market teams do...trade prospects for veterans.

I think Jacko really believes every press clipping of every kid the Yankees sign, and loses sight of the fact that the majority of these players never make it, and sure as hell don't live up to anything close to their hype.

[jacksonianmarch]

untouchable in that when he is locating his changeup, he is unhittable. The problem is that he doesnt do that very often. I am not advocating installing Edwar as the closer or saying that he shouldnt be traded for anything. I think he has a very small window for success here and I dont think it is used up. Give him the offseason, put him on the MLB roster to start next season and give him a couple months. If he still sucks, then cut bait, easy as that.

[Gom]

Oh my God...reality has kicked in for Jacko. What's next, objectivity for ORS and intelligence for Kilo?

The end is near....

[ARod2212]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

I'll ask the question again. if Ramirez is untouchable, what does that make Delcarmen?

Fucked if I know, but my point is that Ramirez has outstanding K-Rates, which lead me to believe there could be something there if he gets his shit together.

Believe me, I'm not jumping all over the Edwar bandwagon. I hope he's not on the playoff roster in the first round. I just think there's still potential there for a very good reliever. If he gets command of his fastball and stops walking hitters, he can do well. His numbers this year were too good throughout the minors to be an abberation. His MLB strikeout rate is high enough to indicate some potential about the kid.

I really don't know what the point is about Delcarmen. He's a much better and more consistent pitcher than Ramirez is? I don't see the correlation. The only reason to mention Ramirez' untouchabilty is his high strikeout rate, which he does in fact edge Delcarmen in. Ramirez strikes more guys out, but Delcarmen's been a better pitcher. If that's your point, nobody's disagreeing with you.