Thanks for the memories, dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out

[redsoxrules]

Originally Posted by Optimist

A manager that has been in control of multiple $200+ million teams and lost in the first round of the playoffs three years in a row is being let go. Sounds like a good decision to me.

really? so its joe's fault that Wang absolutely shit the bed in 2 starts? or how about jeter's 3 for 17 with 1 RBI's ? or posada with his 2 for 15 with 0 RBI's , I could go on and on

also pitching wins ballgame , and the yanks didn't have it , you're not gona win a WS with crappy starting pitching . if someone is to blame its cashman

[Mr Crunchy]

its not joes fault
he didnt lose the team
christ they played close to 700 baseball down the stretch
they just havent been built for october since the giambi signing and the colossal failures of all their free agents
all of them
kevin brown
javier vasquez
jose contreras
jeff weaver
carl pavano
jarret wright
mrs farnsworth
randy johnson
steve karsay
boogaloo chacon
fill in the ones i missed fellas

this aint on joe
no sa
hes the fall guy for everyone and this happens to a lot of good men
im not remotely a torre guy but when youre the odds on favorites to win it all every year and have a payroll doubling your closest rival and quadrupling most teams....
well someone is going to fall when you aint gettin it done

hes a class act
i wont miss his pinky knuckle deep in his nostril

[One Red Seat]

There are a couple of things here that I think are right on.

One, Joe is not a savy manager for the season. Kilo mentioned how he had to manage to win every game this season because of the bad start, but I feel the bad start didn't have a whole lot to do with that. He's always rode "his" guys too hard in the regular season, and managed to win every game. Ironically, this is actually the make-up you want from your postseason manager. Their recent failure in the postseason is not due to the manager.

The reason is point number two. They've been bounced early lately because they had weaker pitching in every series (except the '02 series to LAA, who were just hitting the piss out of everything in October).

The interesting thing to note about this is the trend with his bullpen overuse. It wasn't an issue when they won 4 in 5 years because he had great starting pitching. He didn't get chance to wear "his" guys out. The starters when deep into games, limiting the exposure of the bullpen. As the rotation became more and more deficient, his bullpen usage became more and more problematic because the guys he trusted logged more and more innings.

So, like Crunch said, Torre will be the fall guy for Cashman's ineptitude. It's not surprising. Look a picture of Cash. He reeks of mealy mouthed, spineless, CYA jerkoff.

[yankees228]

Originally Posted by redsoxrules

really? so its joe's fault that Wang absolutely shit the bed in 2 starts? or how about jeter's 3 for 17 with 1 RBI's ? or posada with his 2 for 15 with 0 RBI's , I could go on and on

also pitching wins ballgame , and the yanks didn't have it , you're not gona win a WS with crappy starting pitching . if someone is to blame its cashman

Well said.

[Mr Crunchy]

see the billion dollars in wasted contracts from the above mentioned scatine for clarity

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by See Red

But Joe Torre doesn't throw and hit the baseball.

then how exactly is a manager judged? If the blame is always on the players, why are managers even fired? There are times where you just need a fresh face. The air stagnates, the fire goes out and you just need a fresh start. Now I could continue on for days about the failures of Torre, but he does have a strong enough resume to counteract anything I say. So, I'll leave it with this. The yankee guard is changing. The old are leaving/retiring, the young are growing up. Torre is a manager of egos, of consistency, of (as I said before) autopilot. Having to nurture kids through the 162 is something I dont think he is equipped for and I'd rather see these kids grow up in the right environment than suck them into the Torre feeder and ruin their careers.

[redsoxrules]

jacko, change your avatar you sore loser

[Mr Crunchy]

youre right mj
you know ive been calling him a shit bag manager for years too
hes had all the weapons and failed and this years team just wasnt made for the post season
3-2 2-1 and 5-4 games are the october rule rather than the 12-10 games he was winning during the season
hes just not that good and if the reason for keeping him is cause the players love him well then the players cornholed their beloved joe out of 3 straight series that were more than winnable...
you cant fire the team said harry sinden
when he fired beloved tommy johnson the year after the bruins lost 1-0 in game 7 against philly...ive hated harry since and he rarely let me forgive him in these last 33 years

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by redsoxrules

jacko, change your avatar you sore loser

to what?

[redsoxrules]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

to what?

remember this thread?

Put your Loyalty to the Test!

[jacksonianmarch]

better?

[redsoxrules]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

better?

YES

[redsoxrules]

jacko what about cashman? IMO he deserves alot of blame too

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by redsoxrules

jacko what about cashman? IMO he deserves alot of blame too

Cashman got a lot of quick fixes on short term deals so he could bridge the gap between now and the future. The 3 guys who will be occupying the last spots in our rotation are Cashman's crew. If they fail and the reloading fails, he will be axed. But right now, he has done all he could with the remnants he was handed.

[ARod2212]

Cashman has been good in that he's held on to the young pitcher we've cultivated, and added others via trades. Even if the dividends haven't been immediate, he's set us up pretty good for the next decade.