Damon for Crede?

[jacksonianmarch]

I think we should if Crede is an option. To be honest with you, when you take into account the splits, I dont think Lowell will do any better than Crede while playing in YS for a few yrs. Also, Crede is 4 yrs younger.

[example1]

Originally Posted by TheKilo

lol please trade for Crede

Yes... substitute Crede in the batting order for A-Rod, and lose Johnny Damon in the process.

I LOVE it!

[riverside sluggers]

Originally Posted by example1

Yes... substitute Crede in the batting order for A-Rod, and lose Johnny Damon in the process.

I LOVE it!

There is still the real possibility that Jorge Posada also leaves. The Yankees are believed to be offering him 3 years/$40 million, the Mets however are gearing up to go hard after him

If Damon is traded for Crede, and Jorge resigns
Melky Cabera cf
Derek Jeter ss
Bobby Abreu rf
Joe Crede 3b
Jorge Posada c
Hideki Matsui lf
Jason Giambi dh
Robinson Cano 2b
Andy Phillips/Shelley Duncan 1b

[26 to 6]

I love how everyone here is speaking so highly of JD. All of you Sox fans said how shitty he was gonna be after signing with the Yankees, and we've already started to see a decline.

Don't get me wrong, I love Damon at the top of our order, but I do believe that we need to rid ourselves of one of our old, overpaid outfielders (to make room for Bernie on the bench haha) and geta solid 3B.

[26 to 6]

Originally Posted by riverside sluggers

There is still the real possibility that Jorge Posada also leaves. The Yankees are believed to be offering him 3 years/$40 million, the Mets however are gearing up to go hard after him

It'll be interesting to see how the Yanks and Mets compete for him.

He has said some things sort of backing Joe Girardi the past week or so, which leads me to believe there is still a good-great chance he stays in pinstripes

[example1]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

I think we should if Crede is an option. To be honest with you, when you take into account the splits, I dont think Lowell will do any better than Crede while playing in YS for a few yrs. Also, Crede is 4 yrs younger.

I didn't see that post before.

Career numbers:

Name	AVG	OBP	SLG
Crede	.259	.305	.446
Lowell	.280	.344	.468

Career highs:

Name	AVG	OBP	SLG
Crede	.283	.323	.506
Lowell	.324	.378	.530

Now, if I were a betting man (which I'm not, but the Yankees are), I'd go with the guy whose OBP trends closer to .360-.380. With a career high of .323 and recent OBPs of .308, .299, .303, .323, .258 over the past 5 years, Crede gets on base less than Wily Mo Pena, and has a lower Slugging Percentage. Also, while he's younger than Lowell, he's pushing 30; by 30 I think you should have a pretty good idea what type of on-base/plate control skills a player has.

[yankees228]

Originally Posted by riverside sluggers

There is still the real possibility that Jorge Posada also leaves. The Yankees are believed to be offering him 3 years/$40 million, the Mets however are gearing up to go hard after him

That's true, but I see Posada using the Mets to drive up the price, and then going back to the Yankees. The Yankees will likely more than match anything that the Mets would be willing to give him, simply because the Steinbrenner family would probably be quite upset if they ever lost one of their premiere players to the crosstown rival.

[example1]

Originally Posted by 26 to 6

I love how everyone here is speaking so highly of JD. All of you Sox fans said how shitty he was gonna be after signing with the Yankees, and we've already started to see a decline.

Don't get me wrong, I love Damon at the top of our order, but I do believe that we need to rid ourselves of one of our old, overpaid outfielders (to make room for Bernie on the bench haha) and geta solid 3B.

Oh, don't get us wrong. Damon isn't a very good player, and many of us were right that he was gonna be shitty after signing with the Yankees. And it would be great for you guys to move him to get rid of his non-CF playing contract. That said, he's still a much more valuable "Yankee type" hitter than Crede, who can't get on base to save his life. The idea of replacing A-Rod with Crede by dealing Damon feels like a great unraveling, and it is enjoyable to see. Don't see that joy as us being happy that Big-Bad Johnny Damon is gone. It's mostly fun to watch things fall apart.

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by example1

I didn't see that post before.

Career numbers:

Career highs:

Now, if I were a betting man (which I'm not, but the Yankees are), I'd go with the guy whose OBP trends closer to .360-.380. With a career high of .323 and recent OBPs of .308, .299, .303, .323, .258 over the past 5 years, Crede gets on base less than Wily Mo Pena, and has a lower Slugging Percentage. Also, while he's younger than Lowell, he's pushing 30; by 30 I think you should have a pretty good idea what type of on-base/plate control skills a player has.

In terms of OBP, no comparison. But in terms of power, Lowell hit 16 of his 20 HRs in either Fenway or Toronto. Both VERY right friendly places. His away splits suck. I am afraid that he may be a product of his park, and if that is a case, he is WAY more valuable to the red sox than he is to anybody else.

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by riverside sluggers

There is still the real possibility that Jorge Posada also leaves. The Yankees are believed to be offering him 3 years/$40 million, the Mets however are gearing up to go hard after him

If Damon is traded for Crede, and Jorge resigns
Melky Cabera cf
Derek Jeter ss
Bobby Abreu rf
Joe Crede 3b
Jorge Posada c
Hideki Matsui lf
Jason Giambi dh
Robinson Cano 2b
Andy Phillips/Shelley Duncan 1b

Shelley Duncan and Wilson Betemit will platoon. Betemit hits righties very well and Duncan mashes lefties.

[example1]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

In terms of OBP, no comparison. But in terms of power, Lowell hit 16 of his 20 HRs in either Fenway or Toronto. Both VERY right friendly places. His away splits suck. I am afraid that he may be a product of his park, and if that is a case, he is WAY more valuable to the red sox than he is to anybody else.

I am afraid that your claim may be a product of a poor search my friend. I took one further step and looked at his home/away splits from 06.

Home: .260 .327 .436 .763
Away: .310 .352 .514 .866

Looks like he did pretty well away from Fenway last year, and hit 11 of his 20 HR on the road as well.

So, in terms of OBP, no comparison (which is the most important thing, unless the discrepancy between SLGs is really significant, which it isn't), and in terms of being a Fenway-only product, I think not. One need only look at his 03 season where he spent very little time in Fenway to know that this man can hit outside of Boston.

[jacksonianmarch]

he was 4 yrs younger in 03.

[One Red Seat]

Anyone else get the image of Matt Dillon in Something About Mary when Jacko does all of his one line quantifiers after he shits himself with a post?

I thought you said she was a real spark plug?

Oh. No, I said butt plug.

A veritable czar of bullshit.

[YAZMAN]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

he was 4 yrs younger in 03.

Your ability to analyze the numbers is amazing! Uncanny!!!

[jacksonianmarch]

I guess I like Crede most because he reminds me of Brosius except younger and better. Plays great defense, has some power from the right side, and makes good contact. Plus, until he got hurt this past yr, he showed improvement 3 yrs running. In the past offseason, the white sox pulled away from the trade table with the Angels after they offered Figgins and a prospect. Now, we can get him for a guy who doesnt even have a spot in our lineup? You do that 10 times out of 10.