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Dojji · 11-08-2008, 09:25 PM

Jose Reyes = overrated.

Jimmy Rollins IS better on average than Reyes in any given year.

**Coco's Disciples** · 11-08-2008, 09:30 PM

Let's look at who has the upper hand in the 162 game averages:

Rollins: HR, SLG, Doubles, Total Bases
Reyes: AVG, OBP, SB, OPS+, Hits, Runs, Triples, K (fewer).

So I would say Reyes is better on average in any given year, although they are pretty different players.

John Handa · 11-09-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DipreG

What makes you think in this point in time that Derek Jeter is better offensively or defensively than Jose Reyes, Hanley Ramirez or Jimmy Rollins?

All 3 of them are better defensive shortstops, as Jeter is one of the worst fielders in baseball per every defensive measuring statistic and every writer with an inch of self-respect.

Offensively, he may have 2,000 hits, but how does that measure his current offensive performance when all 3 shortstops i mention are speed/contact/power hybrids when right now, Jeter is basically just a singles hitter ?

Yes, his 3 rings, indicatives or past glory, Jeter WAS a top 3 SS and one of the best players some time ago, and he may still be clutch, but if you look at statistics or hell, even watch ballgames, how dare you say Jeter is a top-3 SS?

If you made the above statement without at least a grin of sarcasm in your face, then, you, sir :

In every way, shape or form imaginable.

Maybe you can sell me Reyes. Big maybe, but Hanley is a awful Short stop with the glove.

CrespoBlows · 11-09-2008, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by John Handa

Maybe you can sell me Reyes. Big maybe, but Hanley is a awful Short stop with the glove.

No one comes close to matching his bat.

John Handa · 11-09-2008, 06:45 PM

I'd still take Jeter, CB, Gets a big hit in every big spot it seems.

**Coco's Disciples** · 11-09-2008, 06:50 PM

.309 BA in playoffs, .317 BA in RISP w/ 2 out situations, .316 in regular season for his career. So yes, he is good in the clutch, but no better than he usually is.

CrespoBlows · 11-09-2008, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by John Handa

I'd still take Jeter, CB, Gets a big hit in every big spot it seems.

Even though Ramirez had a higher OPS in most 'clutch' situations, and is only 24 years old? You'd rather take the 34 year old Jeter, who can no longer defend his position, because he used to get big hits?

John Handa · 11-09-2008, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by CrespoBlows

Even though Ramirez had a higher OPS in most 'clutch' situations, and is only 24 years old? You'd rather take the 34 year old Jeter, who can no longer defend his position, because he used to get big hits?

Depends. If we are a rebuilding franchise then I'd take Jose Reyes. If we had 1-3 years to win I'd take the fag.

**Coco's Disciples** · 11-09-2008, 07:05 PM

I take Hanley in both situations.

TheKilo · 11-09-2008, 08:17 PM

Derek Jeter was rated the worst defensive player in baseball by Bill James last season. At the most important (or one of the most important) defensive positions.

CrespoBlows · 11-09-2008, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by John Handa

Depends. If we are a rebuilding franchise then I'd take Jose Reyes. If we had 1-3 years to win I'd take the fag.

Reyes is already better than Jeter. So is Ramirez.

diony · 11-09-2008, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DipreG

What makes you think in this point in time that Derek Jeter is better offensively or defensively than Jose Reyes, Hanley Ramirez or Jimmy Rollins?

All 3 of them are better defensive shortstops, as Jeter is one of the worst fielders in baseball per every defensive measuring statistic and every writer with an inch of self-respect.

Offensively, he may have 2,000 hits, but how does that measure his current offensive performance when all 3 shortstops i mention are speed/contact/power hybrids when right now, Jeter is basically just a singles hitter ?

Yes, his 3 rings, indicatives or past glory, Jeter WAS a top 3 SS and one of the best players some time ago, and he may still be clutch, but if you look at statistics or hell, even watch ballgames, how dare you say Jeter is a top-3 SS?

If you made the above statement without at least a grin of sarcasm in your face, then, you, sir :

In every way, shape or form imaginable.

I would take Derek Jeter over those 3 anytime. Who cares about the stats? Season stats don't matter when you're in a world series. RRRata.

And Jimmy Rollins is not better than Jeter, and even if he is. He'll never have a career as good as Derek's.

TheKilo · 11-09-2008, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by diony

I would take Derek Jeter over those 3 anytime. Who cares about the stats? Season stats don't matter when you're in a world series. RRRata

Is this post serious? Please tell me this isn't serious.

BoSox21 · 11-09-2008, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by diony

I would take Derek Jeter over those 3 anytime. Who cares about the stats? Season stats don't matter when you're in a world series. RRRata.

And Jimmy Rollins is not better than Jeter, and even if he is. He'll never have a career as good as Derek's.

This is the product of what happens when a brother and sister pro-create.

**Coco's Disciples** · 11-09-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

Is this post serious? Please tell me this isn't serious.

Apparently the New York Derek Jeters don't even need 24 other players to win a WS.