The Best Team Money Could Buy - Page 11 - Talksox

Wells · 11-12-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Crunchy

Even now I find it rather difficult to hate Mariano Rivera, a man who in my opinion deserves to be called the best Yankee ever, nobody has done more for that franchise with the possible exception of Babe Ruth but if Im not mistaken Ruth won more titles in Boston than he did in NY.

I fucking love it.

jacksonianmarch · 11-12-2009, 11:41 AM

I dunno Crunchy. If we made that deal for Santana, we dont win the WS in 2009. Because I agree with y228. No way do we pay 2 pitchers $50 mil per yr total. Just doesnt make sense with how often pitchers get injured. If we got Santana, we pass on CC and probably do sign AJ and re-up Pettitte. And we would have been bounced in the first round since Santana went down with the elbow issue.

jacksonianmarch · 11-12-2009, 11:44 AM

And crunchy, you are wrong. Babe Ruth won 7 world series titles.

1915, 1916, and 1918 with Boston
1923, 1927, 1928, and 1932 with the Yankees

Dipre · 11-12-2009, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

I dunno Crunchy. If we made that deal for Santana, we dont win the WS in 2009. Because I agree with y228. No way do we pay 2 pitchers $50 mil per yr total. Just doesnt make sense with how often pitchers get injured. If we got Santana, we pass on CC and probably do sign AJ and re-up Pettitte. And we would have been bounced in the first round since Santana went down with the elbow issue.

Lol they spent 450 mill in FAs this year.

You don't see them signing Tex and Sabathia along with Santana? Hilarious.

Also, how do you know Santana gets injured while pitching with the Yanks? (Who probably wouldn't have rode him as hard as the Mets did). Do you have a crystal ball?

yankees228 · 11-12-2009, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

Lol they spent 450 mill in FAs this year.

You don't see them signing Tex and Sabathia along with Santana? Hilarious.

Also, how do you know Santana gets injured while pitching with the Yanks? (Who probably wouldn't have rode him as hard as the Mets did). Do you have a crystal ball?

You're the one acting like you have a crystal ball, by claiming, with such certainty, that they would have acquired Sabathia if they got Santana. No one is denying that they would have gotten Teixeira either way. Jacko and I just don't think they would have gotten Sabathia.

I get it though. The Yankees win a championship, and every conversation turns to money. a700 put it best, it's just coping.

Regardless, I acknowledge there is a possibility that they would have gotten both, but the argument that Jacko and I are using is a logical one.

Dipre · 11-12-2009, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by yankees228

You're the one acting like you have a crystal ball, by claiming, with such certainty, that they would have acquired Sabathia if they got Santana. No one is denying that they would have gotten Teixeira either way. Jacko and I just don't think they would have gotten Sabathia.

I get it though. The Yankees win a championship, and every conversation turns to money. a700 put it best, it's just coping.

Regardless, I acknowledge there is a possibility that they would have gotten both, but the argument that Jacko and I are using is a logical one.

Why you keep downplaying the Yankees' willingness to throw money around like it's water spreading from a hose is beyond me.

No crystal ball, just common sense.

yankees228 · 11-12-2009, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

Why you keep downplaying the Yankees' willingness to throw money around like it's water spreading from a hose is beyond me.

No crystal ball, just common sense.

And common sense also states that they wouldn't tie up that much money in two pitchers, because, even with all the money they've spent, they've never done that.

Dipre · 11-12-2009, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by yankees228

And common sense also states that they wouldn't tie up that much money in two pitchers, because, even with all the money they've spent, they've never done that.

For how many years did they tie up both Sabathia and AJ this year again?

With pitchers, it's not so much the money. It's the time.

yankees228 · 11-12-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

For how many years did they tie up both Sabathia and AJ this year again?

With pitchers, it's not so much the money. It's the time.

I understand that, but the money is a factor. Look, it's possible that they would have gotten both. I don't see it, but I acknowledge the possibility. Once again, some of us fail to acknowledge that we're in the realm of opinion, and not fact. We have no real idea, because there are legitimate arguments on both sides of the coin.

Dipre · 11-12-2009, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by yankees228

I understand that, but the money is a factor. Look, it's possible that they would have gotten both. I don't see it, but I acknowledge the possibility. Once again, some of us fail to acknowledge that we're in the realm of opinion, and not fact. We have no real idea, because there are legitimate arguments on both sides of the coin.

Of course it's in the realm of opinion.

But you know their track record in FA spending leans a hell of a lot more towards "Yes" than "No".

yankees228 · 11-12-2009, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

Of course it's in the realm of opinion.

But you know their track record in FA spending leans a hell of a lot more towards "Yes" than "No".

I'm not sure how much a factor their track record plays in us making predictions, because it kind of says both. Yes, they spend a ton of money, but they have never spent it like this before.

Dipre · 11-12-2009, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by yankees228

I'm not sure how much a factor their track record plays in us making predictions, because it kind of says both. Yes, they spend a ton of money, but they have never spent it like this before.

But my good sir.

My whole point is that they spent $450 million dollars. Had they traded for Santana and extended him, they could've done it by absorbing the hit of the amount of money that was coming off the books this year, (and that's actually exactly what they did).

yankees228 · 11-12-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

But my good sir.

My whole point is that they spent $450 million dollars. Had they traded for Santana and extended him, they could've done it by absorbing the hit of the amount of money that was coming off the books this year, (and that's actually exactly what they did).

Yeah, but how much over $450 million dollars do you expect they would have went? With Santana, instead of Burnett, they would have been up over $500 million, and they are only a couple of years removed from handing out the biggest contract in the sport's history.

As I said before, I think one of the main reasons that they didn't trade for Santana, was because they were willing to wait for Sabathia. If that's the case, and it's nothing but logical speculation on my part, it seems to say that they only wanted one of them.

Listen, I understand where you're coming from, I just think the Yankees do have their limit, and this would have crossed it.

Dipre · 11-12-2009, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by yankees228

Yeah, but how much over $450 million dollars do you expect they would have went? With Santana, instead of Burnett, they would have been up over $500 million, and they are only a couple of years removed from handing out the biggest contract in the sport's history.

As I said before, I think one of the main reasons that they didn't trade for Santana, was because they were willing to wait for Sabathia. If that's the case, and it's nothing but logical speculation on my part, it seems to say that they only wanted one of them.

Listen, I understand where you're coming from, I just think the Yankees do have their limit, and this would have crossed it.

What i don't get is the whole they didn't trade for Santana waiting for CC.

They offered a legitimate package with every intention of getting the man.

yankees228 · 11-12-2009, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Dipre

What i don't get is the whole they didn't trade for Santana waiting for CC.

They offered a legitimate package with every intention of getting the man.

What do you mean? Hasn't the whole point of this been to discuss the fact that the Yankees turned down a good proposal? Gom's constant point has been that Cashman screwed up, by not accepting the deal.