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12-02-2004, 05:25 AM
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Legend
Join Date: May 04 2004
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Report: Giambi testified he used steroids, human growth hormone
December 2, 2004
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- New York Yankees slugger Jason Giambi injected himself with human growth hormone in 2003 and also used steroids for at least three seasons, according to his grand jury testimony reviewed by the San Francisco Chronicle.
The testimony given in December 2003 to the federal grand jury investigating BALCO contradicts Giambi's public proclamations that he never used performance-enhancing drugs.
Giambi described how he injected human growth hormone in his stomach, testosterone into his buttocks, rubbed an undetectable steroid knows as ``the cream'' on his body and placed drops of another, called ``the clear,'' under his tongue, the Chronicle reported on its Web site Wednesday night
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Giambi testified that he obtained several different steroids from Barry Bonds' personal trainer, Greg Anderson, who is one of four men indicted by the grand jury investigating the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative. He said he got the human growth hormone from a gym in Las Vegas.
Anderson's attorney, Tony Serra, declined comment to the Chronicle, citing a court order.
Anderson, BALCO founder Victor Conte, vice president James Valente and track coach Remi Korchemny all have pleaded not guilty to the charges, which include steroid distribution.
On Wednesday, a federal judge said she would not immediately dismiss the charges in response to accusations that prosecutors illegally searched BALCO headquarters and Anderson's house and car. U.S. District Judge Susan Illston said she may conduct hearings into the matter in January.
Giambi was among dozens of elite athletes -- including Bonds, Gary Sheffield and track stars Tim Montgomery and Marion Jones -- who answered the grand jury's questions last year. Bonds, Jones and Montgomery deny using illegal drugs, but Sheffield told Sports Illustrated and ESPN earlier this year that he used ``the cream'' and ``the clear'' from BALCO, which he said unknowingly to him contained illegal steroids.
The Chronicle reported in October that on a 9-minute recording it had obtained, a speaker the paper identified as Anderson is heard saying Bonds used an ``undetectable'' performance-enhancing drug during the 2003 season.
Giambi met Anderson when the trainer joined Bonds on an All-Star tour in Japan in November 2002. Giambi said he wanted to know what Bonds' secret for success was.
``So I started to ask him: 'Hey, what are the things you're doing with Barry? He's an incredible player. I want to still be able to work out at that age and keep playing,''' Giambi testified, according to the Chronicle. ``And that's how the conversation first started.''
After returning to the United States, Anderson told Giambi he could provide him with performance-enhancing drugs and suggested he stop taking the steroid Deca Durabolin that he obtained from the Las Vegas gym because it stays in the system too long, the paper reported. Giambi said he started using Deca Durabolin in 2001.
Giambi said Anderson never told him that Bonds used performance-enhancing drugs.
``You know, I assumed because he's Barry's trainer -- you know, Barry -- but he never said one time, 'This is what Barry's taking, this is what Barry's doing,''' Giambi testified. ``He never gave up another name that he was dealing with or doing anything with.''
Prosecutors confronted Giambi with a calendar seized from Anderson's home that detailed Giambi's schedule of drug use.
Giambi said he didn't notice a ``huge difference'' in his performance after starting to use illegal drugs.
Giambi came to spring training this year looking noticeably trimmer as baseball began a steroid-testing program that included punishments for the first time. Asked in February whether he had ever taken performance-enhancing drugs, Giambi said: ``Are you talking about steroids? No.''
Giambi won the AL MVP in 2000 for Oakland and signed a $120 million, seven-year free-agent contract with the Yankees after the 2001 season. He hit 155 homers from 1999-2002 and batted over .300 each season, but injuries slowed him down the last two years.
Bothered by a balky knee, Giambi hit just .250 in 2003. Giambi batted .208 and played in only 80 games last season, missing time because of a tumor, which the New York Daily News reported was in his pituitary gland. Medical experts told the Chronicle that Clomid, a drug Giambi said he thought Anderson had given him, can exacerbate a tumor of the pituitary gland.
Giambi's younger brother, Jeremy, who last played in the majors with Boston in 2003, also testified that he used performance-enhancing drugs given to him by Anderson, according to the Chronicle.
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http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oD...ov=ap&type=lgns
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12-02-2004, 07:09 AM
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What a surprise, really. Not one steroid, but four!
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12-02-2004, 08:43 AM
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Join Date: Aug 23 2004
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don't blow it out of proportion. the ones you inject are steriods, the others are more like enchancers...
john
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Originally Posted by CrespoBlows
The A's are going to finish dead last this year in the AL West.
They won't win the AL West for the next 3 years, the Angels will definaltly be on top of them.
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If you are stupid, I will make fun of you.
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12-02-2004, 03:10 PM
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Join Date: Oct 09 2004
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I hope this isn't news to you....
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12-02-2004, 05:11 PM
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i hope yankee fans knew it all along too..and werent in a stage of denial. thats why we chant bal-co whenever he comes up, or used to. he said it was a lot of milk, and now hes exposed for his lying.
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12-02-2004, 08:30 PM
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Join Date: Dec 02 2004
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giambi usaed steroids in all but y arent they going after all the othe players who did. like bonds. giambi said he got the steroids from bonds agent and sheffield did to.
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12-02-2004, 09:31 PM
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Single A
Join Date: Dec 02 2004
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should the two HR's Giambi hit in the ALCS of last year count?
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12-02-2004, 10:04 PM
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Jeter Jeter peter eater
Join Date: Apr 14 2004
Location: Decatur
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Well, they already did. There's nothing you can do about them now.
It's funny. A lot of people say (myself included) that the Red Sox of 2003 should have won the WS if it weren't for Grady. I still believe that. The offense was so good and starting to pick up. We would have hammered the Marlins if we'd gotten past the Yanks. No question. The bullpen was spotty but the clutchness of the offense under pressure was amazing. I really don't expect to see so many come-from-behind/late-inning wins in a single season again.
But we didn't beat the Yankees, in part, thanks to Giambi, and we went out and got Foulke and Schill. Had we won the WS in 03, do you think we still would have gotten Schilling? I doubt it. Sure, Foulke would be here, but I don't think we would have gotten Curt if we actually won the WS in 03.
He probably would have wound up in NY. It's just kinda funny how things work out.
Back to the topic. Those HRs could be the last great moment in his (possibly) shortened career. As close as he ever got to winning a WS... And he can look back at those fond memories someday and know that he cheated, was given the pennant by the opposing manager, and in the end lost the WS when he had his chance. That's the history, and there's no reason to rewrite it.
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12-02-2004, 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by RedSoxRooter@Dec 2 2004, 10:04 PM
Back to the topic. Those HRs could be the last great moment in his (possibly) shortened career. As close as he ever got to winning a WS... And he can look back at those fond memories someday and know that he cheated, was given the pennant by the opposing manager, and in the end lost the WS when he had his chance. That's the history, and there's no reason to rewrite it.
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I hope that somehow, Giambi is able to read this. This is so true and so pathetic at the same time.
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12-02-2004, 11:49 PM
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Triple A
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Originally posted by j0hnz3pp31in@Dec 2 2004, 09:31 PM
should the two HR's Giambi hit in the ALCS of last year count?
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LOL.  Thats a good one.
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12-03-2004, 08:32 AM
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Join Date: Jun 16 2004
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The homers count. That's in the past.
Giambi's got to worry now about his future, because the Yankees WILL try to void his contract.
This is an awful development for Red Sox fans and all non-Yankee fans. This gives the Yankees grounds to void Giambi's contract, save millions of dollars, and invest that money on someone else.
Remember what happened the last time the Yankees voided a contract and needed a replacement player?
Scary.
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12-03-2004, 04:21 PM
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Triple A
Join Date: Oct 09 2004
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Thats why I don't hate him. He commited career suicide so the yankees could get beltran, pedro, whoever they want just about.
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12-03-2004, 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by empireII@Dec 3 2004, 04:21 PM
Thats why I don't hate him. He commited career suicide so the yankees could get beltran, pedro, whoever they want just about.
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I'm sure thats exactly why he fessed up.
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12-03-2004, 06:09 PM
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Legend
Join Date: Sep 18 2004
Location: Syracuse, NY
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For those of you who do not know and To tell the truth
Jason Giambi always has publicly denied taking steroids. But when he came before a grand jury, it was a different story. A comparison:
What he told the press
September 2001, his last season before signing as a free agent with the Yankees
"If you're an incredible athlete, steroids aren't going to help you hit a baseball."
July 2002, at the All-Star Game
"I could think about taking them, but I never have. Guys take a lot of pride in what they do, and it's kind of sickening for them to work their butts off all year around and now it's: 'He hits home runs. He's on steroids.'"
October 2003, after being subpoenaed by federal grand jury investigating steroid use
"I didn't do anything wrong."
February, after being asked if he has used performance-enhancing drugs
"Are you talking about steroids? No."
February, after showing up skinny at spring training and claiming he had lost "four pounds, that's it"
"I just cleaned up my diet. I stopped eating fast food, bottom line. I stopped eating In-N-Out burgers."
August, after being diagnosed with a benign tumor
"This is absolutely not related to steroids at all, and that's all I can say about that."
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12-03-2004, 06:36 PM
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Triple A
Join Date: Oct 09 2004
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Originally posted by yeszir+Dec 3 2004, 05:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (yeszir @ Dec 3 2004, 05:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-empireII@Dec 3 2004, 04:21 PM
Thats why I don't hate him. He commited career suicide so the yankees could get beltran, pedro, whoever they want just about.
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I'm sure thats exactly why he fessed up.  [/b][/quote]
Well, knowing everybody knew he was lying couldn't hurt.
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