Edwar Ramirez, fluke or truth?

[jacksonianmarch]

Has anyone seen what the guy Edwar Ramirez has done?

 

Edwar is a freakishly skinny (6'3" 150lbs) pitcher who was signed by the Angels in 2001. After 2 yrs of poor performances, he was released. He kicked around the Indy league circuit before signing with the yankees at the beginning of last season. Last season, as a reliever in Tampa (High A) he put up a ridiculous line

 

4-1 1.17ERA 30.2IP 14H 47K 6BB 0.65WHIP

 

So this yr, he was moved to Trenton. And boy was he good.

 

9G 3-0 0.54ERA 16.2IP 6H 1ER 33K 8BB

 

That earned him a promotion to AAA. Thus far, in AAA, here is his line...

 

10G 0-0 4 Saves 1.02ERA 17.2IP 9H 2ER 29K 6BB

 

So, to recap. His composite numbers since he signed with the yankees are...

 

7-1 65IP 7ER 29H 119K 20BB 0.96ERA .125BAA 0.75WHIP 16.5K/9IP

 

His SR isnt all that intriguing. He throws a low 90s fastball, an average curve, but has one of the best changeups in the system. Chances are, he is gonna have to be called up at some point. And at 26 yrs old, he isnt too old for the system right now. It is intriguing. Is he more of a fluke or will he have success in the bigs. Hopefully we find out soon enough.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

With relievers I'm not really cought up in the age. Scott Proctor made his ML debut at the age of 27 and hes been solid for us. The numbers suggest hes not a fluke.

[SCM33]

Reminds me of kinda what we saw with Hansack.....in the end though, everything evens out.....the law of averages.

[jacksonianmarch]

Reminds me of kinda what we saw with Hansack.....in the end though' date=' everything evens out.....the law of averages.[/quote']

 

He didnt even come close to those numbers.

 

Hansack in his 2 yrs in the sox system

 

8-7 3.26ERA 132IP 122H 124K 36BB

2-6 3.49ERA 59.1IP 57H 58K 15BB

[SCM33]

He didnt even come close to those numbers.

 

Hansack in his 2 yrs in the sox system

 

8-7 3.26ERA 132IP 122H 124K 36BB

2-6 3.49ERA 59.1IP 57H 58K 15BB

 

No...but he came out of no where as well correct?

[Youk Of The Nation]

That K/BB ratio is absolutely ridiculous.

[rician blast]

The Ks per IP are even more ridiculous.

 

And he only throws in the low-90's?

[jacksonianmarch]

The Ks per IP are even more ridiculous.

 

And he only throws in the low-90's?

 

apparently. His bread and butter is his changeup. Sounds like a Keith Foulke type of player with a little more velocity.

[jacksonianmarch]

in his last 3 outings, he has this line...

 

3.2IP 2H 1BB 9K

 

9 of the 11 possible outs have been K's. Almost all of his K's are swinging btw, which is interesting and leads me to believe that he has stellar stuff, BUT will have a little trouble adjusting initially because of the more patient MLB hitters. But that kind of dominance in AAA is amazing.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

apparently. His bread and butter is his changeup. Sounds like a Keith Foulke type of player with a little more velocity.

 

So he's going to be having sex with other player's wives?!? :dunno:

[jacksonianmarch]

So he's going to be having sex with other player's wives?!? :dunno:

 

and flipping burgers at BK. Johnny. LOL.

[SCM33]

and flipping burgers at BK. Johnny. LOL.

 

And be outta baseball at 33 years old.....that means he has like......4.5 years left....he better get to the MLB team real fast!!!!!!

[jacksonianmarch]

And be outta baseball at 33 years old.....that means he has like......4.5 years left....he better get to the MLB team real fast!!!!!!

 

he and Britton are next in line for a callup, WHEN needed. The Yankees always take too long with garbage veterans. It took them too long to DFA Karsay, Quantrill and Stanton on the last go round. I hope they DFA gas can soon so these kids can show what they can do.

 

BTW, props to ORS for giving Vizcaino the nickname Gas can, I use it a lot.

[jacksonianmarch]

And be outta baseball at 33 years old.....that means he has like......4.5 years left....he better get to the MLB team real fast!!!!!!

 

Edwar has a slightly better fastball than Foulke, so we'll see. If I remember correctly, Foulke was exclusively a FB/Change guy. Remember, Edwar has a breaking ball too. His numbers are too good to ignore.

 

And, SCM, shame on you. Your math is awful. Edwar is 26. Foulke retired at 33. How many yrs does he have left?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

well Foulke was garbage his last 2 years, lol.

[SCM33]

Edwar has a slightly better fastball than Foulke, so we'll see. If I remember correctly, Foulke was exclusively a FB/Change guy. Remember, Edwar has a breaking ball too. His numbers are too good to ignore.

 

And, SCM, shame on you. Your math is awful. Edwar is 26. Foulke retired at 33. How many yrs does he have left?

 

SHHHHHHH....its funnier this way!

 

Foulke was Fastball 90-92, Changeup 82-84 and Slurve,Curve,Slider,Shithouse in the low 80s as well. When Foulkie was on....he had that 10MPH difference between his top two guns....when he lost that, he lost his job, and career.

[jacksonianmarch]

1IP 0H 0ER 0BB 2K today. Kid is just filthy.

[MANNYHOF24]

Edwar has a slightly better fastball than Foulke, so we'll see. If I remember correctly, Foulke was exclusively a FB/Change guy. Remember, Edwar has a breaking ball too. His numbers are too good to ignore.

 

And, SCM, shame on you. Your math is awful. Edwar is 26. Foulke retired at 33. How many yrs does he have left?

 

I am pretty sure Foulke was a low 90's FB pitcher early in his career as well. I remember Foulke hitting 90-91 in the 2004 W.S. as well.

[MANNYHOF24]

well Foulke was garbage his last 2 years' date=' lol.[/quote']

 

Foulke was decent for portions of last season. The numbers were really decieving, he had like 2 outting in which he gave up like 8 ERs, other than that when he was on the mound healthy (which wasn't that often) he was fairly solid. I think he had a 3.70 ERA in april and like an ERA in the mid 2's in September.

 

Haha, I have no clue why I am going at great lengths to defend this guy. For obvious reasons I just have so much respect for what this guy did.

[jacksonianmarch]

I am pretty sure Foulke was a low 90's FB pitcher early in his career as well. I remember Foulke hitting 90-91 in the 2004 W.S. as well.

 

I thought he was comparing him to the Foulke of today, I see. Yeah, very similar to Foulke in stuff. Apparently he is all arms and legs and the ball is released rather deceptively. I'd love to see him up, but I may have to wait till next yr. With Gascan pitching better and Bruney rediscovering his velocity, I dont think sweeping change is on the way.

[Manny Goes Boom]

Isn't that K/IP ratio unheard of for a guy who throws in the low 90's?

[jacksonianmarch]

Isn't that K/IP ratio unheard of for a guy who throws in the low 90's?

 

pretty much. He apparently has an absolutely sick changeup and an all arms and legs delivery.

[jacksonianmarch]

2IP 1H 1BB 5K 0ER today, bringing his ERA down to 0.76. Um, yankees. We can kinda use some pen help here. He now has 31K's in 17.1 AAA IP.

[ORS]

Sounds like a Jermaine Van Buren redux. Let's see how much faith he has in that stuff against the best before we place him in the conversation with one of the better closers of the last decade.

[jacksonianmarch]

Maybe. But Van Buren never had anything like this. Jermaine's best K/9 in the sox system was 9.7 and his best in the Cubs system was 10.8. But JVB had one yr in AA with the cubbies system where he allowed 3.8 hits per 9 for a season. We'll see. Edwar doesnt do it the way JVB did (pure power mostly) but he is striking out 16.5 per 9 right now with a BAA of .137. I havent seen anything like this before. And I dont think I would ever advocate him as the next big closer, I just want an effective pen arm out there for our rebuild.

[ORS]

JVB did not do it with power. His asset was/is a deceptive delivery and good differential from a mediocre FB to a very good change. Sounds very similar to Edwar.

[jacksonianmarch]

3 more innings, no hits, no walks, 6 strikeouts.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07012007/sports/yankees/digging_deep_for_bullpen_help_yankees_george_king.htm

 

Welcome to the bigs Edwar.

[a700hitter]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07012007/sports/yankees/digging_deep_for_bullpen_help_yankees_george_king.htm

 

Welcome to the bigs Edwar.

Major league batters will determine if he's welcome.

[jacksonianmarch]

Threw one inning last night, striking out the side.