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Old 01-05-2013, 08:23 AM   #6451 (permalink)
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The bigger argument was being nominated for 10 grammys and winning 3. That's the epitome of mainstream.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:14 AM   #6452 (permalink)
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And that is, without a doubt, the last time I'll ever speak of the Black Keys' mainstreaminess. I hope you enjoyed your short-lived moral victory. It's now 7 am, so I'm gonna crash. Should have been in bed an hour ago.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:18 AM   #6453 (permalink)
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The bigger argument was being nominated for 10 grammys and winning 3. That's the epitome of mainstream.
You obviously have very little understanding of the nomination process.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:37 AM   #6454 (permalink)
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Here's something I find funny and ironic.

You're saying that "perception is reality, right?!" Yet look at the facts from both sides.

Your main argument is that The Black Keys won't be considered 'mainstream' until they're as popular and until they sell as many records as Nickelback. Hrm...That seems to suggest that there are only a handful of mainstream bands, ever?

See what I'm saying? Now look at wikipedia.com or other definitions of 'mainstream music', and see if you feel like a jerk. Your whole argument is specifically based on mainstream success ie: record sales, and being as popular as the most popular 10 bands on MTV within a certain time frame. It's like saying that the Houston Astros aren't really in the MLB because they don't have as many wins, hits or home runs as the Detroit Tigers or The SF Giants.

They Black Keys are considered mainstream. Your perception argues otherwise, which is fine. You're entitled to that. Mine argues that they are not only mainstream, but one of the few bands that become as well-known by the masses as they currently are. Yes, currently are. In other words, they aren't future-tense some day going to be mainstream, no, they are right now prior to selling another record or having another radio play.

I don't think that The Black Keys will ever get to be on the Nickelback/Bieber (of course, the ones you mentioned) level. They are too good musically and seem to have at least enough pride in their craft to not go where said type bands go in order to get to that level.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:39 AM   #6455 (permalink)
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You obviously have very little understanding of the nomination process.
Ah yes, please keep moving the goal posts on your argument when faced with mounting evidence that contradicts your opinion. It's ok to be wrong once in a while. It's no big deal.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:43 AM   #6456 (permalink)
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Don't think that you're right just because you can articulate your points better than someone else, Emmz. You could be the most intelligent person in the world and still be wrong.

Here's something I found super funny. I typed into Google..."Are the Black Keys Mainstream"

Here's a funny article that came up.

"Six Signs The Black Keys Are Now A Mainstream Band"


The tipping point has been reached. The Black Keys have crossed over from being a respected band followed by devoted fans who thought no one else knew about them into a band now known by the general music buying and listening public.

It’s only recently happened with the release of the Brothers album and subsequent events following. Enough evidence has already assembled itself to suggest the band has crossed over into mainstream, popular consciousness. From here they can only get better and bigger.

It’s only taken six albums and eight years of recording and touring to happen. For any long term fan, it’s great to have seen and enjoy.

What signs have been missed? Maybe you think the tipping point is yet to happen?

The signs:

The Black Keys’ album Brothers debuted at #3 on the Billboard charts in the USA. The stats don’t lie.
The band are playing the main stages of all the biggest festivals in the world – Lollapalooza, Bonnaroo, Glastonbury, to name a few
They are touring with Kings of Leon for 3 weeks and supported Pearl Jam at Madison Square Garden in the USA. They are not only deemed worthy but The Black Keys seem to have finally embraced the opportunity to be as popular as possible.
The band has sold out three shows in New York on 27 & 28 July – two at the Summer Stage, Central Park, (5000 capacity) and one at Terminal 5 (3000 capacity) where they will come on stage at 11pm. New York has always been the arbiter of popularity in US music. The band’s early promotion for Brothers focussed heavily on New York where media influencers are based. It’s paid off. If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere…
It may seem trite but when American Idol contestants cover your songs you know you are popular (Kelly Clarkson covered ‘Lies’, Casey James covered ‘I Got Mine’. You also know it when the most popular movie franchises (Twilight feat. Chop and Change) want a taste of your music on their soundtracks – you are ticking boxes and being exposed to an ever increasing audience.
The Black Keys are presently in the top 10 of the most popular songs on the We Are Hunted website. This is significant because this site looks at popularity of songs and therefore artists based on a range of criteria, semantic sentiment if you will. Basically, more people than ever before are ‘talking’ about The Black Keys than ever before. As any marketer knows you can’t buy word of mouth, and nothing sells better than word of mouth. We Are Hunted explains their chart thus:

We listen to what people are saying about artists and their music on blogs, social networks like Facebook and MySpace, message boards and forums, Twitter and P2P networks to chart the top songs online everyday.

In the physical world, charts are built on shipped albums. Online charts have been a simple count of digital downloads. We Are Hunted is different. We discover new music from around the web and detect sentiment, expression and advocacy to understand what people like and dislike.

Source: Link http://theblackkeysfanlounge.com/201...instream-band/

Edit to add: You can keep arguing the point that The Black Keys aren't as popular as Nickelback, sure. But no-one ever suggested that they were, or that they ever would be. I think it's easily safe to say that the Sheepdogs, or even City and Colour (on a smaller scale) are mainstream, and they are even less known/successful (by far, even?) than The Black Keys. See, the argument isn't even properly focused here. You are arguing against points that I am not even disagreeing with.

Another thing to consider is that some people like a band well prior to the band becoming remotely successful in terms of recognition by the vast majority, record sales, radio play, etc. Once the band starts getting bigger and bigger, getting deals and said recognition/success, the fans who liked them prior to this cringe at the notion that they're becoming that successful. It's almost like they don't want to like a band that everyone likes or knows. Could this be the case for you, Emmz, specific to The Black Keys? Did you like them before they mainstream, and now you're in some sort of pretentious bias?

I know for example that there are some huge Bon Iver fans, who just cringe at the fact that Bon Iver was becoming so successful and heading towards the mainstream platform. Why? Because they tend to only want to listen to and support those 'Indie' acts, who aren't popular and well known. They don't want to turn the radio on one day, and hear Nickelback play, followed up by the Bon Iver (or whatever band they loved prior to that band becoming hugely well known).

Sure, some people couldn't care less if their favorite band that no one knows about becomes Nickelback-level famous. No doubt. But it seems for the most part that the music snob comes out in all of us sometimes in this sort of situation. I think you're delusional in that way specific to this argument in relation to The Black Keys. Maybe not.
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Old 01-05-2013, 11:17 AM   #6457 (permalink)
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Don't think that you're right just because you can articulate your points better than someone else, Emmz. You could be the most intelligent person in the world and still be wrong.

Here's something I found super funny. I typed into Google..."Are the Black Keys Mainstream"

Here's a funny article that came up.

"Six Signs The Black Keys Are Now A Mainstream Band"


The tipping point has been reached. The Black Keys have crossed over from being a respected band followed by devoted fans who thought no one else knew about them into a band now known by the general music buying and listening public.

It’s only recently happened with the release of the Brothers album and subsequent events following. Enough evidence has already assembled itself to suggest the band has crossed over into mainstream, popular consciousness. From here they can only get better and bigger.
Interestingly, in another music forum that I participate in we had a big discussion recently about the term 'mainstream'. There were diverse opinions on what the word actually means.

Personally I think it's a buzzword, a label, and a fabricated one, and as such it's problematic. The term has only come into widespread use fairly recently.

Several decades ago a commonly used term was 'Middle of the Road' or MOR. Is 'mainstream' a re-tooling of MOR? It seems to be a virtually identical analogy, doesn't it...middle road, middle stream.

To me the conceptual issue is, is the label attached based on the artistic content itself, or based on the level of popular appeal it attains?

Were/are the Beatles/Stones/Zeppelin 'mainstream' because of how popular they are, how many zillion albums they've sold, regardless of their artistic intentions, their creativity etc.?
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Good point, Bellhorn.

Also, is 'mainstream' a term that can be used as an overall umbrella among all genres as a whole; or are there 'mainstream' bands in any/every single genre?

The debate at hand that came up specific to The Black Keys, is so difficult to say because the term mainstream most likely means different things to different people.
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Ah yes, please keep moving the goal posts on your argument when faced with mounting evidence that contradicts your opinion. It's ok to be wrong once in a while. It's no big deal.
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This would have some credibility to it if you didn't think you were right IN EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT you have here. Literally every single one. In the end you are always right and everyone else is wrong, doesn't understand facts, is ignorant, is circlejerking, or some other bullshit excuse for you not to own up. As always, when the people you are debating against stand pat on their opinion you always end up resorting to insults. Bravo.


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This would have some credibility to it if you didn't think you were right IN EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT you have here. Literally every single one. In the end you are always right and everyone else is wrong, doesn't understand facts, is ignorant, is circlejerking, or some other bullshit excuse for you not to own up. As always, when the people you are debating against stand pat on their opinion you always end up resorting to insults. Bravo.


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Ahhhh put a cork in it. You're just as opinionated and capable of dishing out the personals as I am, and infinitely more prone to bitching that the other never wants to admit they're wrong. You just don't post very much so you don't get as much flack for it, but you go off on a rant about someone everytime you feel like you've won an argument.

Suck it up pusswad.
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This would have some credibility to it if you didn't think you were right IN EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT you have here. Literally every single one. In the end you are always right and everyone else is wrong, doesn't understand facts, is ignorant, is circlejerking, or some other bullshit excuse for you not to own up. As always, when the people you are debating against stand pat on their opinion you always end up resorting to insults. Bravo.


Someone needs to make a copy of the Jacko chart for this.

If a band is considered mainstream and one prides oneself on never listening to a mainstream band, then one's favorite band can not be considered mainstream and one might fight and insult to hold one to one's petty viewpoint even faced with overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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