Renteria officially on the Trading Block

[riverside sluggers]

The 2006 team is sure to look entirely different come opening day...

 

Sox looking to trade Renteria

By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff | December 6, 2005

 

DALLAS -- While trade talks involving Manny Ramirez stalled -- with one source with direct knowledge of the negotiations indicating that the New York Mets are not in the bidding and that the Los Angeles Angels had not been heard from yesterday -- the Red Sox were moving aggressively to trade shortstop Edgar Renteria.

 

Renteria, Boston's prize free agent acquisition last winter who has fallen out of favor after a 30-error season, could be headed to the Atlanta Braves as part of a three-way deal with the Tampa Bay Devil Rays in which the Sox would receive Devil Rays shortstop Julio Lugo while the Devil Rays would get prospects from Atlanta, presumably highly regarded third baseman Andy Marte and another player.

 

Two sources with direct knowledge of negotiations last night confirmed the proposed deal. The Braves just lost their shortstop, Rafael Furcal, who agreed to a three-year, $39 million free agent deal with the Los Angeles Dodgers last weekend, and have always held Renteria in high regard. The Sox, meanwhile, would either play Lugo at short or at second base, depending on two other deals they had on the table. They asked the Angels about Orlando Cabrera, and also are trying to persuade the San Diego Padres to take catcher Doug Mirabelli in exchange for second baseman Mark Loretta.

 

The Sox asked for Cabrera as part of the package they were seeking in exchange for Ramirez, but a source with direct knowledge of the Angels' thinking said last night that he did not expect the Angels to make a deal for the Red Sox slugger. ''It's not happening,'' the source said. Meanwhile, the Mets, who already have made a series of major moves this offseason, acquiring first baseman Carlos Delgado and catcher Paul Lo Duca in trades and signing free agent closer Billy Wagner, are not in the running for Ramirez, according to the source with direct knowledge of the negotiations.

 

Mets GM Omar Minaya, in a group session with Mets beat reporters, lent credence to the notion that the Mets aren't in for Ramirez last night. ''Getting the extra big bat is not a priority,'' Minaya said. ''What's more of a priority for us is making sure we get a good bench in place and continuing to improve the bullpen. Getting a big bat is not a No. 1 priority because of Delgado.

 

''When you're talking about a big bat, you're usually talking about salary. Nobody's going to be trading big bats that are cheap. And any time there are salaries, there are always complexities.'' If the Mets and Angels are out, do the Sox have a match for Manny? ''Probably not,'' said a source with direct knowledge of negotiations.

[example1]

I don't like Lugo for Renteria at all. Let me look at Lugo's numbers again...

 

His good seasons are about like renteria's season was last year... maybe a little better. Same age, less than half the price. I'm not sure how he is defensively.

 

Overall, I don't like the deal. I don't think Lugo will bring us where we want to go, but then again I've been a staunch Renteria supporter and might be a little biased.

[riverside sluggers]

Couple of advantages for Boston for having Lugo, much smaller contract. Lugo holds a .337 batting avg at Fenway Park in 26 games.

 

Yet... Julio Lugo basically averages 20+ errors a season. Rent has edge with winning 2 golden gloves before.

 

I dont see a need as well to trade Renterria away.

[example1]

Yeah. Given the number of other players we need to replace there is no point in opening one more. Especially when Renteria's strength will be his leadership and stabilizing factor on a younger, hodge-podge team.

 

Our team is looking more and more like the Mariners with some of these deals.

[ahhchon]

until this is on espn i won't believe it.. BUT if it's true i would SURE love to have lugo, especially if last year wasn't a fluke. a .365 OBP from your ss? that's awsome, especially at 3.5 mill > 10 mill. 6.5 mill off payroll = keep manny.

 

john

[riverside sluggers]

this is coming from Gordon Edes. I wouldnt actually call him an unreliable source.

[YanksHater213]

Riverside, are you arguing with yourself? Jesus. Posting every other person, hardly responding to anyone. Damn son.

 

Anyways, I dont think he will be dealt. I just dont see anyone taking him for what we will ask.

[example1]

until this is on espn i won't believe it.. BUT if it's true i would SURE love to have lugo, especially if last year wasn't a fluke. a .365 OBP from your ss? that's awsome, especially at 3.5 mill > 10 mill. 6.5 mill off payroll = keep manny.

 

john

 

Its on bostondirtdogs.com. Also, I don't think payroll has anything to do with keeping Manny. Manny wants to leave, he doesn't care about money, he just wants to go. He gets 20 million and the sox aren't upset about paying it if he's willing to stay. 6.5 mill might mean we keep Damon, but not Manny.

[Ray10]

Why trade the guy it was his first year yeah he struggled defensivley but he was solid with the bat and I can't see the Sox get some big upgrade from Renteria.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Riverside, are you arguing with yourself? Jesus. Posting every other person, hardly responding to anyone. Damn son.

 

Its getting real annoying listening to your bashing of Riverside...let it go already

 

On to the important thing...this trade sucks and actually frustrates me in the fact they traded away Hanley Ramirez then decide to move there SS...Julio Lugo is not a replacement for Edgar Renteria I don't see how this is an upgrade except they save money. It is possible Dustin Pedroia could play SS where he started but I don't think he is ready for that. I don't this idea is ugly...I'm not 100% against trading Renteria but certainly for more than Lugo.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

short of getting O-Cab back (which isnt gonna happen) i wouldn't trade renteria at all. I actually preferred resigning Cabrera in the first place since he did nothing but contribute when he was here and fit in great. I know Red Sox brass were thinking of Rents all-star numbers when they pursued him instead, but I am willing to give him another shot and keep him unless we are completely overwhelmed with a trade offer.

[BoSox84]

Good lord it was his first season in Boston, give him some time to adjust. Im betting Rent returns to old form defensively and puts up better numbers.

[RedSoxRooter]

Julio Lugo is not a replacement for Edgar Renteria I don't see how this is an upgrade except they save money. It is possible Dustin Pedroia could play SS where he started but I don't think he is ready for that. I don't this idea is ugly...I'm not 100% against trading Renteria but certainly for more than Lugo.

 

I know, I know...

 

But when I first heard of this trade, the first thing I thought was to get Lugo to play 2b. Then offer Nomar a 4 million with incentives contract to play SS..

[MANNYHOF24]

For some reason i either want Nomar or O-C to play short next year, Rent was a complete downgrade at the postion

[BoSox84]

Why would you want Nomar a guy who's been hurt the past few years? I'd love O-C but thats wont happen. Look,aside from last season Edgar hasnt had more than 20 errors the past the 3 seasons. Just give the guy a chance

[MANNYHOF24]

Why would you want Nomar a guy who's been hurt the past few years? I'd love O-C but thats wont happen. Look,aside from last season Edgar hasnt had more than 20 errors the past the 3 seasons. Just give the guy a chance

 

Dont tell me, that you wouldnt love to see Nomar back in a Boston Uniform, all his Injuries have really been freak things, i think a return to Fenway would rejuvinate his career, i imagine 305. 22 98 , last season he hit 150. for the first week, then got hurt, but after his return he was on fire, batting well over 300 with 9 jacks and about 30 RBIS

[MC Hammer]

Dont tell me, that you wouldnt love to see Nomar back in a Boston Uniform, all his Injuries have really been freak things, i think a return to Fenway would rejuvinate his career, i imagine 305. 22 98 , last season he hit 150. for the first week, then got hurt, but after his return he was on fire, batting well over 300 with 9 jacks and about 30 RBIS

There was a reason we traded him. There's no reason to bring him back.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I agree Nomar is no longer a Boston Red Sox so moving on....

 

How about trading Renteria straight up for Marcus Giles??? Gives us a top 2nd basemen and the Braves a top SS. Then maybe we can deal with Tampa Bay directly for Lugo. Or we could give the SS spot to Pedroia and Cora for the time being while adding someone like Alex Gonzalez for more depth.

[SuperManny]

FWIW Lugo will be making about $5 million next year - TB excersized an option right after the season ended. I dont want Lugo instead of Renteria personally but I wuoldnt mind moving Renteria for Marte and then getting Lugo in a seperate deal.

[ksushi]

The prospects the braves would be trading are better than giles. Andy Marte is a great 3rd basemen. I think we should do the Andy Marte deal, and then a separate deal for lugo as super manny said. We could put arroyo in a package perhaps/

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Whenever you talk to the Tampa Devil Rays they want prospects. I don't think I'm interested in doing a separate deal with them including prospects for Julio Lugo. They were going to take Andy Marte for Julio Lugo and then supposedly became greedy and wanted more.....FOR JULIO LUGO???

 

....I think its time we all said the hell with the Devil Rays....they are always looking to rip teams off...that is how they work cause thats the only way they can truely benefit. Now I'm not saying I don't think Andy Marte won't be good and I wouldn't mind having him but where does that leave us??

 

Sounds like we will get Mark Loretta which takes care of 2B and I guess Pedroia can go back to SS position but is he ready?? Would we place Marte at 3rd and Lowell at 1st?? Who will play SS until Pedroia is ready?? This whole thing is confusing to me. Renteria is a top SS in the league and we are moving him for Marte (excellent prospect) but is he that good?? I would want something else along with Marte for Renteria to make this truely worth interest.

[MC Hammer]

Whenever you talk to the Tampa Devil Rays they want prospects. I don't think I'm interested in doing a separate deal with them including prospects for Julio Lugo. They were going to take Andy Marte for Julio Lugo and then supposedly became greedy and wanted more.....FOR JULIO LUGO???

 

....I think its time we all said the hell with the Devil Rays....they are always looking to rip teams off...that is how they work cause thats the only way they can truely benefit. Now I'm not saying I don't think Andy Marte won't be good and I wouldn't mind having him but where does that leave us??

 

Sounds like we will get Mark Loretta which takes care of 2B and I guess Pedroia can go back to SS position but is he ready?? Would we place Marte at 3rd and Lowell at 1st?? Who will play SS until Pedroia is ready?? This whole thing is confusing to me. Renteria is a top SS in the league and we are moving him for Marte (excellent prospect) but is he that good?? I would want something else along with Marte for Renteria to make this truely worth interest.

I think quite simply we just keep Rents and give him atleast until the trade deadline to get his s*** together.

 

For a team that seems to be all about chemistry changing the entire infield just doesn't make sense to me.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

I think quite simply we just keep Rents and give him atleast until the trade deadline to get his s*** together.

 

For a team that seems to be all about chemistry changing the entire infield just doesn't make sense to me.

 

agree.

[Beckett95]

ESPN's Peter Gammons says the Rays are out of the three-way Edgar Renteria trade talks at the moment.

As Ken Rosenthal said last night, the Rays don't think Andy Marte is sufficient for Julio Lugo. It's unclear whether Boston will take Marte for Renteria when the Braves would likely want some cash to cover a portion of what Renteria is owed. Gammons said that talks could resume. The Boston Globe's Gordon Edes just reported that the negotiations were active again this afternoon. Dec. 7 - 3:26 pm et

rotoworld

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Andy Marte isn't enough for Julio Lugo??? They are so stupid I hate that team...at what point did Julio Lugo become such a good player or have great potential??

 

trading Renteria and cash for Marte and another player might be ok...but we need another player...not just Marte

[ksushi]

Andy Marte isn't enough for Julio Lugo??? They are so stupid I hate that team...at what point did Julio Lugo become such a good player or have great potential??

 

trading Renteria and cash for Marte and another player might be ok...but we need another player...not just Marte

 

First off, We're talking about the devil rays here. The team that asked for Hanley Ramirez and Jon Lester for Aubrey Huff. They are still spoiled from getting Scott Kazmir for Victor Zambrano.

 

I would do Rent for Marte straight up. Marte was the top prospect in baseball america this year. The kid is real good. I would not however pay for Rents stay. I think if they need that then we need another prospect.

[example1]

Is there something the Braves know that we don't know about Marte? I mean, if he's so good then why are they giving him away?

 

His numbers with the Braves last year were really bad... is there reason for the Braves to think he might not be as good as everyone paints him to be?

 

If not then I say get him. He's a better prospect than Hanley.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

My biggest complaint is getting a replacement for Renteria. Is Marte good enough to play right now and we move him or Lowell to 1st?? Is Pedroia ready to play SS for us cause I don't like the idea of having Cora or some of the other free agent bums being our starting SS.

 

I did see Marte make 1 throw last year which was a very very nice one. Guess the guy has power...I dunno the talent is there and he is real young.

 

Add up the pros and cons and I say hold onto Renteria.

[MC Hammer]

Is there something the Braves know that we don't know about Marte? I mean, if he's so good then why are they giving him away?

 

His numbers with the Braves last year were really bad... is there reason for the Braves to think he might not be as good as everyone paints him to be?

 

If not then I say get him. He's a better prospect than Hanley.

They were bad but he had a limited number of ABS.

8 hits in 57 ABs

[Cityofchampions33]

We shoulda re-signed OC, even if he did have a bad offensive year, he's just a loveable guy. Yeah, soemthins up with the Rays GM, there's no way Lugo is worth more than Marte, they should've pulled the trigger when they got the offer. I say give Rent anotehr chance, and if he has near the same seaosn he had last year, then trade him, I mean it's only his first year in the AL so you can't blame him entirely just yet.