2008 Boston Celtics Playoff Game thread - Page 7 - Talksox

Sweet Chin Music33 · 05-15-2008, 07:28 AM

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They fell apart at the end. There was no excuse for getting trapped like they did. If Wally hits that wide-open three that landed in his hands, the Cavs are down 3 with a minute left and we may be here wanting to string up Posey for passing backwards behind half-court. Dumb shit almost fucked them in the ass.

This highlights my discussion with Kilo.....I think that they are just too tired in the 4th quarter (except for the Posey point). Posey aside, Doc needs to trust the bench.....go with what got you there Doc.

TheKilo · 05-15-2008, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweet Chin Music33

Doc gets the heat bc he controls the game plan, and he controls who is in during any given situation......you are right, the players must execute, but when you have nothing left in the tank I think it is asking too much. The Celts are were not losing those games early in the game.....it was the 4th quarter, and I think it was because the guys were given too many minutes.

DOC SAT THESE GUYS FOR THE LAST MONTH!! They shouldn't be "gassed".

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The plan all season long was to cut the big threes minutes, but now I wonder if that only hurt them more.....because they are being asked to do more than they have all year, and do not seem to be conditioned to handle it.

How is this on Doc? When the KG trade went down everyone was concerned as to how they were going to limit the minutes of three over-30 players. THIS WAS THE GAMEPLAN GOING INTO THE SEASON.

Blame the players for not being in better game shape.

Garnett - 32.8 MPG regular season, 37.2 MPG playoffs
Pierce - 35.9 MPG regular season, 34.9 MPG playoffs
Allen - 35.9 MPG regular season, 37.9 MPG playoffs

You're telling me 4 minutes a game for these guys makes them "gassed"?

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If Doc stuck with what got him there, this wouldnt be a question. They won 60+ games with the regular season rotation. They were the best road team in the NBA with their regular rotation. I understand that this is the playoffs and you want your best team on the floor at all times.....but the Celts beat these teams all year long giving the big three more than enough time to rest up.

THE REGULAR ROTATION HASN'T WORKED BECAUSE THE PLAYERS HAVE PLAYED LIKE GARBAGE.

POWE, DAVIS, CASSELL, AND ALLEN HAVE ALL PLAYED LIKE GARBAGE. Only KG, Pierce, and Rondo have shown flashes, and they are too inconsistent.

The NBA is a player's league. Doc was a shitty coach last year, but he's been good this year. Why do you think that is?

Mr Crunchy · 05-15-2008, 09:58 AM

actually doc turned a team of high school kids into decent nba products
Jefferson is a 20/10 guy,delonte west has developed into a solid player,perkins and powe really came into their own this year as well.
what i consider a panic move goes back to the atlanta series in game 6 during crunch time where he pulled rondo in favor of cassell.
dont fuck with the guy who got you there.
to win on the road you need solid guard play,some snipers who can make an open 16 footer,defensive intensity and rebounding.
how they hold teams to under 80 at home yet give up 100 on the road is as much a mystery to me as the disappearance of jimmy hoffa.

TheKilo · 05-15-2008, 02:27 PM

Leon Powe was an all Pac-10 player at Cal, and Delonte West went to St. Joseph's.

Sweet Chin Music33 · 05-16-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

Blame the players for not being in better game shape.

Double edged sword, how can you blame them if they were not getting the minutes to begin with (and I know that was the plan, but thats my point).

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

Garnett - 32.8 MPG regular season, 37.2 MPG playoffs
Pierce - 35.9 MPG regular season, 34.9 MPG playoffs
Allen - 35.9 MPG regular season, 37.9 MPG playoffs

You're telling me 4 minutes a game for these guys makes them "gassed"?

If you were a wrestler, youd know that a match goes 6 minutes....2 minute periods, and everyone was gassed after every match....and they are some of the best conditioned athletes in the world. I am sure you played basketball, or hockey, or some sport that required cardiovascular movements....in the 4th quarter.....and youve already played the 32 whatever type minutes you are accustomed to.....then yes....4 minutes is a very long time.

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POWE, DAVIS, CASSELL, AND ALLEN HAVE ALL PLAYED LIKE GARBAGE. Only KG, Pierce, and Rondo have shown flashes, and they are too inconsistent.

While I agree, Cassel (dont have the numbers off the top of my head) has been awful on the road, but been ok at home.

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THE REGULAR ROTATION HASN'T WORKED BECAUSE THE PLAYERS HAVE PLAYED LIKE GARBAGE.

I cant argues there, except for the fact that they really havent been given much of a chance either.

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

The NBA is a player's league. Doc was a shitty coach last year, but he's been good this year. Why do you think that is?

Good point, no argument there.

CrespoBlows · 05-16-2008, 11:10 AM

Don't blame Doc for losing Game 6. This one is already over.

redsoxrules · 05-16-2008, 01:19 PM

home court advantage has been huge in the second round so far . 20-1 , the lone away team to win so far in the second round are the pistons

Mr Crunchy · 05-16-2008, 01:47 PM

ray allen will be the difference this evening
if we can get 14 out of him within the offensive plan we're going to win tonight
if he continues his claude rains routine then we come back sunday

Sweet Chin Music33 · 05-16-2008, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Crunchy

ray allen will be the difference this evening
if we can get 14 out of him within the offensive plan we're going to win tonight
if he continues his claude rains routine then we come back sunday

Just play D the way you do at home....come out with the same fire and intensity and they will win. Just play some D.

rician blast · 05-16-2008, 03:34 PM

Perimeter shooting will open up the inside. Hit from the outside and the Celts will get easier buckets in the paint.

Agree with Crunch that Allen is a key. He's got to make the Cavs respect him.

YanksHater213 · 05-16-2008, 04:41 PM

The way I see Cassell right now - in games that are blow outs, he shows up, in games that are close, he hides under a rock and shits the bed.

Tonight is a huge game, I'd feel uncomfortable about a game 7 in Boston. We're either gonna win tonight or lose the series, IMO.

The Dustball · 05-16-2008, 05:49 PM

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We're either gonna win tonight or lose the series, IMO.

Why do you say this? The home team has won nearly every game during the playoffs, and the Celts have yet to lose one at home so what is your basis for this?

TheKilo · 05-16-2008, 06:27 PM

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Why do you say this? The home team has won nearly every game during the playoffs, and the Celts have yet to lose one at home so what is your basis for this?

Anything can happen in a Game 7 and the Cavs have the best player in the series.

redsoxrules · 05-16-2008, 06:37 PM

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have the best player in the series.

he hasent shown it yet in this series ,32-103 for a shitty .311 FG percentage, averaging 22 points a game , if he keeps playing like that theres no way the cavs wins this series, his stats are still half decent but not what were use to seeing

The Dustball · 05-16-2008, 07:33 PM

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Anything can happen in a Game 7 and the Cavs have the best player in the series.

The Celtics have the better team and a home court advantage. Even if "anything can happen in game 7" I'd still take the Celtics chances over the Cavs. Not to mention Lebron has not even had a true dominating performance in this series.