Bruins Off-Season Thread - Page 5 - Talksox

TheKilo · 07-06-2009, 11:03 PM

Sorry YH213 I should have quoted Dutchy.

Dojji · 07-06-2009, 11:14 PM

The conventional wisdom goes that Kessel should be swapped for a D-man.

This on a team that already allowed the lowest goals in the NHL last year IIRC.

There's a sentiment that we got exposed in the playoffs because we need another puckmover. Completely ignoring the fact that we got exposed in the playoffs largely because two of our best puckmovers were shelved with injuries.

When it comes time to move players to improve the roster, you don't start with 21 y ear old 30+ goal wings. There is no overwhelming need to get rid of Phil Kessel. he is doing what he was drafted to do, and doing it well. I know the Bruins love tough guys, but if we can't tolerate a wide mix of skillsets on the Bruins, including light-hitting speed forwards like Kessel, we'll never win anything.

Dutchy · 07-06-2009, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dojji

The conventional wisdom goes that Kessel should be swapped for a D-man.

This on a team that already allowed the lowest goals in the NHL last year IIRC.

There's a sentiment that we got exposed in the playoffs because we need another puckmover. Completely ignoring the fact that we got exposed in the playoffs largely because two of our best puckmovers were shelved with injuries.

When it comes time to move players to improve the roster, you don't start with 21 y ear old 30+ goal wings. There is no overwhelming need to get rid of Phil Kessel. he is doing what he was drafted to do, and doing it well. I know the Bruins love tough guys, but if we can't tolerate a wide mix of skillsets on the Bruins, including light-hitting speed forwards like Kessel, we'll never win anything.

Absolutely nobody is complaining that Kessel is "light-hitting". The complaint is that he scored 81% of his goals against the worst teams in the NHL.

Dojji · 07-06-2009, 11:36 PM

And he scored about a goal a game in the playoffs, including against the team that ultimately defeated us, and did it with a torn rotator cuff. Playoff competition is the toughest there is, and he didn't just survive there, he thrived.

besides, where the hell did you expect a goal scorer to score most of his goals? As long as he's actually scoring against tough competition I don't care if he murders the weaker teams, in fact I'm glad he's doing it. Someone has to. The alternative is pretty embarrassing.

Also, Kessel would probably have scored more goals if he was actually getting the share of playoff time most teams' goal scoring leaders get. For some reason he can't buy, beg, borrow or steal his way onto PP unit 1, even though throughout the playoffs our biggest problem -- by a LOT -- was executing the power play.

Now, let's see you break it down and actually defend those numbers because there's NWIH he actually scored 81% of his goals against the very worst teams in the NHL so you swallowed some mediot's BS whole on that one, probably based on an exaggerated definition of "worst teams in the NHL."

Dutchy · 07-06-2009, 11:40 PM

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And he scored about a goal a game in the playoffs, including against the team that ultimately defeated us, and did it with a torn rotator cuff. Playoff competition is the toughest there is, and he didn't just survive there, he thrived.

besides, where the hell did you expect a goal scorer to score most of his goals? As long as he's actually scoring against tough competition I don't care if he murders the weaker teams, in fact I'm glad he's doing it. Someone has to. The alternative is pretty embarrassing.

Now, let's see you break it down and actually defend those numbers because there's NWIH he actually scored 81% of his goals against the very worst teams in the NHL so you swallowed some mediot's BS whole on that one, probably based on an exaggerated definition of "worst teams in the NHL."

No he didn't, he scored 6 goals in 11 games. And he only scored in 1 game against the Canes. That's not "thriving" by any stretch of the imagination. You might want to look up stats before you talk next time.

Dojji · 07-06-2009, 11:43 PM

OK, then, "point per game pace," Mr. Technical. 11 points in 11 games. 6 goals, 5 assists. Still not a performance to scoff at by any stretch of the imagination.

Dutchy · 07-06-2009, 11:51 PM

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OK, then, "point per game pace," Mr. Technical. 11 points in 11 games. 6 goals, 5 assists. Still not a performance to scoff at by any stretch of the imagination.

He scored in only one game against the Canes. But that's a small sample size. If you want a more legit sample size, he scored 29 of his goals against teams that didn't make the playoffs and he scored 7 of his goals against teams that made the playofffs.

I never said he's bad. I've said multiple times he's a good goal scorer and I'd prefer he comes back (at a reasonable price). But for some reason, the fact that I don't claim he's perfect has caused fans to criticize me.

He's a great goal scorer. He's just a little streaky and doesn't play good enough defense to be payed $5 million. That's what I've said all along regardless of what pink hat fans have claimed I've said.

Dojji · 07-07-2009, 12:16 AM

Good luck finding a similar player on the market for $5M or less.

TheKilo · 07-07-2009, 08:36 AM

Where are those 36 goals being made up then, Dutchy?

Dutchy · 07-07-2009, 06:25 PM

Hunwick files for arbitration, so it definitely looks like he's back.

http://bigbadblog.weei.com/sports/bo...n-with-bruins/

Add him to the list of Krejci, Recchi and Bitz. We also brought in Begin. The only thing that's really left is the Kessel situation.

Dutchy · 07-07-2009, 06:32 PM

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Where are those 36 goals being made up then, Dutchy?

We probably won't replace all 36 goals. We'd have to place Recchi and Sturm on the 1st line and hope for the best. We won't score as many goals overall, but they could easily match Kessel's 7 goals against playoff caliber teams.

Again, I'd prefer to keep Kessel. Just don't know how realistic it is given his salary demands.