Vick pleads guilty - Page 2 - Talksox

inkman · 08-21-2007, 01:42 PM

Good, maybe they can lead off Sportscenter with actual sports instead of this court room drama.

redsoxrules · 08-21-2007, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadOfSoxNation

Do you think a football-starved city will choose sound morals and values over a dynamic Pro-Bowl quarterback? I sure don't. This just in...being a good person is not something the NFL values all that much. It's a good thing, because if so Chad Johnson and Carson Palmer would be the only members of the Bengals and the Vikings would have to look for work in some Red Light District somewhere instead of on the football field.

All I'm saying is, if Vick is available to play football...he will play football. As in, if he doesn't receive a lifetime ban from the NFL, he'll have no problem at all finding a team that'll bring him aboard. Yea, it'd be a public relations nightmare for a while, you're right. Sure, the team might lose some fans because of it, but not enough to make it not worthwhile to bring about a superstar quarterback on the cheap. If Vick signs on with some team and brings them a Superbowl, he'll be regarded as a hero and will walk on water in that city. It's pathetic, but it's the way fans are.

vick is overated , for what he did off the field he'd have to be at least top 3 quaterback in the league for a team to take him on , no team is gonna take an average at best QB with all that just happened

HeadOfSoxNation · 08-21-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by See Red

Goodell is making teams think twice about character (ex. Marcus Vick, who I had always kept hearing was a better athlete than Michael). If the Bengals could get rid of a lot of the guys having these issues I'm sure they would, but for all I know it could be cap suicide. And none of those character issues have resulted in prison time and the public backlash that Michael Vick is experiencing. Being caught with a little bit of weed is a far less serious offense than financing dog fighting and drowning and/or electrocuting eight dogs. The killing eight dogs part alone is up to a 40 year sentence in some states (South Carolina, for example) -- up to five years for each dog. Plus, as you know, Vick isn't a conventional QB. You have to build around him -- you can't just throw him into any ol' system. Not easy to just up and change like that.

We really need to wait until the actual plea occurs...it depends on what he pleads guilty to. Normally, plea deals involve other charges being dropped. It helps the State because they don't have to finance a trial, and it helps the pleader (?) by allowing him to take a lesser penalty. I would be shocked beyond all human comprehension of Vick gets any more than two years. If he was legitimately facing up to 40 years, what would be his motivation to plea? There would be absolutely none. He's going to plead guilty to a few charges, a shitload of charges are going to be dropped and/or never charged, and he'll serve between ten months and two years. It's sad...but that's the way it'll go down. At least, I think. Obviously I could be wrong. I sure hope I am. Lock him up for 60 years for all I care.

You're right...Vick isn't a conventional QB. He has skills and talents that are unmatched by ANYONE that's ever played the game. (I know his stats...and I know he's not the "best" quarterback in football or anything...I'm just talking about his pure skill-set...there's no one else that's ever stepped on the field that can run a sub 4.4 40 and has one of the 3 or 4 strongest arms in the NFL.) Teams will take a flier on him, I really think that they will. Assuming Vick comes back when he's 30 or 31...that'll still give you 5 or 6 years of a legit QB. His career isn't over...I really don't think it is.

You know, it's funny...whenever I'd hear about Marcus Vick being your stereotypical hoodlum, I always wondered how one brother could be SO entirely screwed up and one on the straight and narrow (with or without herpes haha)...well, turns out Mike wasn't all this time. Makes a lot more sense.

See Red · 08-22-2007, 12:14 PM

If he gets two years in prison, what type of suspension do you think he'll get? At LEAST one year (note: I mentioned that it's a 40 year max sentence in some states to show exactly how serious this whole thing is). That puts him out of the League until 2010 at the earliest. That puts him at around 30 or 31. He's never been a proven winner, and it's not easy to overhaul an entire system to fit him -- that would take a couple of years -- which is a HUGE investment in somebody whos onfield success is almost capped off by a first round win in Green Bay in his first year as a starter in which he played decent, and not great. The NFL has all the reason in the world to suspend him for more than a year, if not permanently.

redsoxrules · 08-23-2007, 01:56 PM

Stephon Marbury on vick

"I think we don't say anything about people who shoot deer or shoot other animals," the Knick point guard told Capital News 9, an Albany TV station. "You know, from what I understand, dogfighting is a sport. It's just behind closed doors."

what a fucking idiot , he should join vick in jail

TheKilo · 08-24-2007, 07:00 PM

New developments:

Vick will not plead that he actually killed the dogs.

The NFL suspends Vick without pay indefinitely.

redsoxrules · 08-25-2007, 07:49 PM

Falcons want $22M back from Vick

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7153596

BoSox21 · 08-27-2007, 06:39 PM

so what do you guys think of Vick's public apology today?

redsoxrules · 08-27-2007, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BoSox21

so what do you guys think of Vick's public apology today?

nothing . he's still an asshole

**schillingouttheks** · 08-27-2007, 07:13 PM

The only way he can redeem himself is by becoming an animal rights activist while donating millions of dollars to fix animal abuse.

mtbykr · 11-19-2007, 03:31 PM

He turned himself in early to start his time:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3119025

See Red · 11-22-2007, 11:19 PM

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"From the beginning, Mr. Vick has accepted responsibility for his actions, and his self-surrender further demonstrates that acceptance."

... Huh?!

mtbykr · 11-23-2007, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by See Red

... Huh?!

You got me....he lied to the commish when asked about it, always proclaimed his innocence, finally had to agree to a deal, gets popped for drugs while awaiting sentencing and has to go on house arrest. Pretty stand up guy

mtbykr · 01-08-2008, 08:24 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3185291

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Michael Vick left Virginia on Monday to enter a drug treatment program at a Kansas prison, a move that could reduce the former NFL star's 23-month sentence on a federal dogfighting conviction.

a700hitter · 01-08-2008, 09:15 AM

So being on drugs can help reduce a sentence for illegal dogfighting? Well, that makes sense.