Vick pleads guilty - Talksox

Gom · 08-20-2007, 03:10 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2983121

Enjoy prison, asshole.

Put those words in order you want.

See Red · 08-20-2007, 03:33 PM

Well, I guess it's no longer alleged... he'll never touch an NFL field again. Hope he serves a lengthy sentence.

redsoxrules · 08-20-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gom

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2983121

Enjoy prison, asshole.

Put those words in order you want.

good... but he'll be out of jail in less than 2 years

mtbykr · 08-20-2007, 04:14 PM

I think he could serve a good bit of time considering that this judge is known for not taking it easy on people. however the only thing i read was that he was going to plead guilty to "conspiricy" charges...it mentions nothing about gambling which is the #1 thing for the league

mtbykr · 08-20-2007, 04:22 PM

NFL network saying the jail time is 10-12 months......which would be a joke considering the guys testifying against him is 16

CrespoBlows · 08-20-2007, 04:28 PM

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I think he could serve a good bit of time considering that this judge is known for not taking it easy on people. however the only thing i read was that he was going to plead guilty to "conspiricy" charges...it mentions nothing about gambling which is the #1 thing for the league

What does the gambling involved in the Vick case, have anything to do with the gambling involved with the NFL?

mtbykr · 08-20-2007, 04:51 PM

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What does the gambling involved in the Vick case, have anything to do with the gambling involved with the NFL?

That is the #1 thing that the NFL will use to suspend him. They take gambling (of any type) very seriously, and that is what i have heard (from ESPN, NFL Network) that the NFL is most upset about.

**Youk Of The Nation** · 08-20-2007, 11:10 PM

Moral of the story: Being a big meanie to lesser species is a prison-punishable offense.

If you'll excuse me, I need to leave for work and I have to drive extra carefully. If I hit a squirrel I could end up in for 20-life.

HeadOfSoxNation · 08-20-2007, 11:37 PM

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What does the gambling involved in the Vick case, have anything to do with the gambling involved with the NFL?

If the NFL has the same restrictions as the NBA, any and all forms of gambling are forbidden with the exception of horse-racing at the track in the off-season. Vick has his hands in gambling, which in itself is forbidden, plus the type of gambling he did was illegal.

I don't know how anyone can say that he'll never play football again, though. Didn't you see The Longest Yard? Ha.

But seriously...Vick is going to be sitting in prison, lifting weights, running, doing what all prisoners do. When he gets out of jail, even if he serves 2 years, he'll still only be just turning 29 and will still be able to run a 4.4 40 with a cannon arm. With the number of teams throwing jobber quarterbacks out onto the field year after year, Vick will get picked up by someone for sure. Hopefully Goodell realizes this and makes Vick serve his inevitable suspension after his jail-time concludes to eat least prolong his absence from the sport. I think that will be the case as it seems that Roger is committed to clearing some of the filth out of the NFL.

ARod2212 · 08-21-2007, 12:22 AM

Joey Harrington is still in the NFL. Somebody will take a chance with Vick when he gets out.

See Red · 08-21-2007, 01:19 AM

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Joey Harrington is still in the NFL. Somebody will take a chance with Vick when he gets out.

Completely different circumstances. Besides, Harrington is a servicable backup QB. I'd feel better with him as my #2 than I'm sure a lot of NFL fans feel with theirs, to be honest. He takes a lot of shit because of how good he was supposed to be... but he's not that bad by backup QB standards -- if the Falcons had foreseen all of this they'd have kept Schaub, who at least has potential, but they got Harrington for what they thought he'd be... a backup. And for the record, I think he'll suprise some people and be pretty decent this year. Just a hunch. But I digress...

Teams will avoid Vick and it sure as hell ain't because of his skill set, aside from the aspect of having to tailor their schemes to it. The guy can sit for two years and he'll still have enough talent and physical ability to land him somewhere on an NFL roster -- though whether or not he's all that good of a QB is questionable to begin with. Teams will avoid Michael Vick because nobody wants to deal with that public relations nightmare. Nobody wants PETA picketing outside of their games and practices. I think the CFL is a question mark since CFL GM's protested the Argonauts signing Ricky Williams.

HeadOfSoxNation · 08-21-2007, 01:28 AM

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Teams will avoid Vick and it sure as hell ain't because of his skill set, aside from the aspect of having to tailor their schemes to it. The guy can sit for two years and he'll still have enough talent and physical ability to land him somewhere on an NFL roster -- though whether or not he's all that good of a QB is questionable to begin with. Teams will avoid Michael Vick because nobody wants to deal with that public relations nightmare. Nobody wants PETA picketing outside of their games and practices. I think the CFL is a question mark since CFL GM's protested the Argonauts signing Ricky Williams.

I disagree...I don't believe that there is a single team in the NFL without a solid QB that wouldn't take Vick on when he gets out assuming he's still in playing shape, which I imagine that he will be. The PETA protests won't last forever and Vick will still put asses in the seats. I'm not a fan of Vick's off the field antics, but the guy is still IMO the most exciting player to watch in the NFL short of maybe Reggie Bush or Devin Hester.

See Red · 08-21-2007, 01:44 AM

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I disagree...I don't believe that there is a single team in the NFL without a solid QB that wouldn't take Vick on when he gets out assuming he's still in playing shape, which I imagine that he will be. The PETA protests won't last forever and Vick will still put asses in the seats. I'm not a fan of Vick's off the field antics, but the guy is still IMO the most exciting player to watch in the NFL short of maybe Reggie Bush or Devin Hester.

I also disagree. I feel I'm right for all the reasons I mentioned.

The whole Michael Vick thing will cool off... until an NFL team decides to take a shot on him, and then the protests will begin again. Like I said, it's a Public Relations Nightmare. He has a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to reshape his image. It's do-able to an extent, but certainly not entirely. Unless a team was damn near guaranteed to make the Super Bowl as a result of signing him, they're not going to think he's worth it. He could be out until 2010, at the earliest. He could be permanently banned from the League. Odell Thurman failed the substance policy, had managed to, for the most part, avoid trouble (aside from one incident that nothing stemmed from) and his bid for reinstatement got rejected. Vick is pleading guilty to a Federal Crime -- and that's before you take the gambling into account, which, for the record, I don't think should be that big of a deal.

HeadOfSoxNation · 08-21-2007, 02:06 AM

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I also disagree. I feel I'm right for all the reasons I mentioned.

The whole Michael Vick thing will cool off... until an NFL team decides to take a shot on him, and then the protests will begin again. Like I said, it's a Public Relations Nightmare. He has a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to reshape his image. It's do-able to an extent, but certainly not entirely. Unless a team was damn near guaranteed to make the Super Bowl as a result of signing him, they're not going to think he's worth it. He could be out until 2010, at the earliest. He could be permanently banned from the League. Odell Thurman failed the substance policy, had managed to, for the most part, avoid trouble (aside from one incident that nothing stemmed from) and his bid for reinstatement got rejected. Vick is pleading guilty to a Federal Crime -- and that's before you take the gambling into account, which, for the record, I don't think should be that big of a deal.

Do you think a football-starved city will choose sound morals and values over a dynamic Pro-Bowl quarterback? I sure don't. This just in...being a good person is not something the NFL values all that much. It's a good thing, because if so Chad Johnson and Carson Palmer would be the only members of the Bengals and the Vikings would have to look for work in some Red Light District somewhere instead of on the football field.

All I'm saying is, if Vick is available to play football...he will play football. As in, if he doesn't receive a lifetime ban from the NFL, he'll have no problem at all finding a team that'll bring him aboard. Yea, it'd be a public relations nightmare for a while, you're right. Sure, the team might lose some fans because of it, but not enough to make it not worthwhile to bring about a superstar quarterback on the cheap. If Vick signs on with some team and brings them a Superbowl, he'll be regarded as a hero and will walk on water in that city. It's pathetic, but it's the way fans are.

See Red · 08-21-2007, 02:52 AM

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Do you think a football-starved city will choose sound morals and values over a dynamic Pro-Bowl quarterback? I sure don't. This just in...being a good person is not something the NFL values all that much. It's a good thing, because if so Chad Johnson and Carson Palmer would be the only members of the Bengals and the Vikings would have to look for work in some Red Light District somewhere instead of on the football field.

Goodell is making teams think twice about character (ex. Marcus Vick, who I had always kept hearing was a better athlete than Michael). If the Bengals could get rid of a lot of the guys having these issues I'm sure they would, but for all I know it could be cap suicide. And none of those character issues have resulted in prison time and the public backlash that Michael Vick is experiencing. Being caught with a little bit of weed is a far less serious offense than financing dog fighting and drowning and/or electrocuting eight dogs. The killing eight dogs part alone is up to a 40 year sentence in some states (South Carolina, for example) -- up to five years for each dog. Plus, as you know, Vick isn't a conventional QB. You have to build around him -- you can't just throw him into any ol' system. Not easy to just up and change like that.