Peyton Manning - Greatest QB ever? - Page 2 - Talksox

redsoxrules · 09-07-2007, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sox Fan on Cape

Actually, I do consider Montana one of the best.

well being a 49ers fan I enjoyed watching him play , but manning has allready surpassed his TD passes and will be passing his passing yards by the end of the year AND a better passer rating

Now if your judging by witch QB is the best when it counts then Montana is best... overall manning is better

mtbykr · 09-07-2007, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by redsoxrules

well being a 49ers fan I enjoyed watching him play , but manning has allready surpassed his TD passes and will be passing his passing yards by the end of the year AND a better passer rating

Now if your judging by witch QB is the best when it counts then Montana is best... overall manning is better

So your saying that Montana is the best QB in meaningful games while Peyton is great at padding his stats against lousy teams?

mtbykr · 09-07-2007, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

This is the type of response I get from most Patriots fans.

Most TD passes in a single year? Yup
Great shot at most yard/most TDs? Yup
Super Bowl? Yup

You can't knock him entirely for the playoff losses he's suffered in the past. Does he play defense? Did he miss the field goal against the Steelers two years ago?

The only thing Brady has on him is Super Bowls, which is why I think if he wins one more he's unquestionably the greatest.

Great QB's find a way to win the games they should. Peyton generally crapps the bed in the playoffs (meaningful games) while slamming stats during the regular season and running up the score. He finally got his superbowl last year, but even then he crapped the bed when the pats defensive starters were in there....it took the flu, san diego trip, and a 4th string secondary to get by the pats. There is no doubt that he will be up there if his career keeps going the way it has been, but to call him the greatest right now is foolish. (and again 'greatness' is all perception). Let's give Peyton his due, but let's not get carried away.

redsoxrules · 09-07-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mtbykr

So your saying that Montana is the best QB in meaningful games while Peyton is great at padding his stats against lousy teams?

no I'm saying manning is the best overall, manning has had some great games in the playoffs to , not just the regular seaon , some people judge the best QB on how he peformes in the playoffs only and some people judge them by regular season and some judge by both ,

CrespoBlows · 09-07-2007, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by mtbykr

Great QB's find a way to win the games they should. Peyton generally crapps the bed in the playoffs (meaningful games) while slamming stats during the regular season and running up the score. He finally got his superbowl last year, but even then he crapped the bed when the pats defensive starters were in there....it took the flu, san diego trip, and a 4th string secondary to get by the pats. There is no doubt that he will be up there if his career keeps going the way it has been, but to call him the greatest right now is foolish. (and again 'greatness' is all perception). Let's give Peyton his due, but let's not get carried away.

LOL UNCLUTCH PEYTON HE ONLY ONE THE SUPERBOWL!!!11111

Sox Fan on Cape · 09-07-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by redsoxrules

well being a 49ers fan I enjoyed watching him play , but manning has allready surpassed his TD passes and will be passing his passing yards by the end of the year AND a better passer rating

Now if your judging by witch QB is the best when it counts then Montana is best... overall manning is better

Prettry much, Bart Starr, Y.A. Tittle, Bob Greise, etc. It's one of the reasons I wasn't all that thrilled about Marino. Before him there was Fran Tarkington, both were exciting to watch but never found a way to win. All I'm saying is that as good as Manning is he still hasn't actually proved with recorded performance that he is again "one" of the best. The reason that I keep saying one of the best is that you're talking about comparing QB's from different era's. The rules of the game were different, stats were differnt, and what really defines the greatest QB, just individual records ( in a team sport ), winning record, SB wins, or a combination of all the aforementioned. There is no quantatative standard, this argument has been made in many other sports about who is the best. The result has always been undetermined because the criteria are subject. He will probably end up as a Hall of Famer.
Do I enjoy watching him, yes except against the Pats. Speaking of the Pats, I don't think Tom Brady is one of the best yet. He's very good, but I'll wait a few years before I'd put him in the great to one of the best categories.

Sox Fan on Cape · 09-07-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by redsoxrules

well being a 49ers fan I enjoyed watching him play , but manning has allready surpassed his TD passes and will be passing his passing yards by the end of the year AND a better passer rating

Now if your judging by witch QB is the best when it counts then Montana is best... overall manning is better

To quote Vince Lombardi, " Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing. ".

ARod2212 · 09-07-2007, 09:25 PM

I think Manning will go down as a top 3 QB when all is said and done.

MANNYHOF24 · 09-07-2007, 09:40 PM

Brady may not have the talent or the stats, but given one game to win I take Brady everytime. If I had to win the most games in the regular season, the choice is always Manning. There is just something about Brady that makes him different and thats why he gets the football in the "if you had one game to win" category.

castigs850 · 09-08-2007, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

Do you consider Brady to be one of the best as well?

do you not?

peyton will go down as gom said top 3 all time, and ahead of brady. personally though i like favre and of course brady better

iSeenHippos · 09-08-2007, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Sox Fan on Cape

So he won one Super Bowl.

One World Series is a lot though...:roll:

See Red · 09-08-2007, 02:02 AM

I'd slip Brady in at fifth, at the highest.

I'd have Elway, Montana, Marino, Manning ahead of him... by quite a bit, for now.

The way Manning has bent you over, wouldn't you agree? Like I said, it's not his fault Marvin Harrison had to wear Ty Law as a winter jacket one game. Besides, that was a speed and timing based offense playing in the cold and snow against a team built to win in those conditions.

Manning sees the game the way that no other player ever has. His preparation is just incredible. And his arm's as good as anyone's. The guy's insane. He's the best ever. He's done it for long enough that he's the best ever.

HeadOfSoxNation · 09-08-2007, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by castigs850

peyton will go down as gom said top 3 all time, and ahead of brady. personally though i like favre and of course brady better

Putting Favre into the same category as those guys is criminal. Favre is a selfish player and puts himself ahead of the team. His reputation is even being more tarnished as he still stays in the league and throws up passes into quadruple coverage.

Hasn't he lead the league in picks the past 2 years?

castigs850 · 09-08-2007, 03:34 PM

im not saying he shouldnt retire, he should have been out of the league 3-4 years ago when he first was thnking about retirement. but as a kid I always loved him, packers are still my second favorite team to root for because of how good he used to be.

and idk, but he did last year

iSeenHippos · 09-08-2007, 05:28 PM

I am a Pats fan and love Brady, but Manning is the better quarterback.