Billick Accuses Jets of Cheating ... lol - Talksox

**schillingouttheks** · 09-18-2007, 11:15 AM

Linky.

Yeah, you actually can't do that. The Pats can't do what they did, and the Jets can't do what they did.

He Hate Me · 09-18-2007, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by schillingouttheks

Linky.

Yeah, you actually can't do that. The Pats can't do what they did, and the Jets can't do what they did.

I didn't know it was illegal to mimick snap counts actually, but if it was, I wouldn't be shocked that Mangini did it. Apple doesn't fall too far away from the tree

**schillingouttheks** · 09-18-2007, 12:49 PM

Yeah. It's illegal because in a stadium of 30,000 screaming people, the opposing linemen screaming fake cadences will throw anyone off.

Look, I'm sure this happens a lot of times with many other teams, but I'm just going tit for tat. Jets' d-linemen = cheaters.

TheKilo · 09-18-2007, 01:21 PM

Didn't Roosevelt Colvin do this the other night?

2-8-SD44 (2:00) PENALTY on NE-R.Colvin, Defensive Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at SD 44 - No Play.

See Red · 09-18-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by schillingouttheks

Yeah. It's illegal because in a stadium of 30,000 screaming people, the opposing linemen screaming fake cadences will throw anyone off.

Look, I'm sure this happens a lot of times with many other teams, but I'm just going tit for tat. Jets' d-linemen = cheaters.

*71,000

Yeah, definitely illegal and definitely cheating. Unlike the defense, the offense doesn't go on the movement of the ball and usually aren't even looking at the ball. You get guys mimicking cadences and it gets confusing. Not only do you make these guys commit false starts, but it also creates a split second hesitation when the ball does actually gets snapped and creates a huge advantage. You can't do anything to try and bait the offense into a false start.

I really, really hate Mangini.

See Red · 09-18-2007, 05:06 PM

By the way, The new Tuesday Morning Quaterback article on ESPN makes a lot of claims about Belichick cheating -- anyone know where I can find any other information about this stuff?

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And the Patriots' cheating might have been more extensive than so far confirmed. Fox Sports reported that former NFL players believe Belichick had microphones installed in the shoulder pads of defensive linemen so the Patriots could tape other teams' offensive audibles and line calls. Needless to say, putting microphones on players violates NFL rules. Andrea Kremer of NBC reported that several teams might charge the Patriots this week with having stolen playbooks from the visitors' dressing room. The convenient "malfunction" of visiting teams' headphones at the Patriots' two fields under Belichick seems to have happened far too often to be an IT department error. The rumor mill says Belichick, Richard Nixon-style, has file cabinets of info on opposing coaches and assistant coaches – some gleaned honestly, some obtained by cheating.

I guess I answered my own question... Fox Sports, I guess.

TheKilo · 09-18-2007, 05:07 PM

Haha what assholes.

redsoxrules · 09-18-2007, 05:19 PM

fuckers

YanksHater213 · 09-18-2007, 07:07 PM

I refuse to believe what See Red posted until its found true. Some of that is so extensive that I really doubt it happened, but wow, if that is true, what the fuck.

Mr Crunchy · 09-18-2007, 11:36 PM

nfl coaches get younger and tend to have more formal education now than in the past
look at mangini and bb or sean payton
these men never played at any big time level but these men ate slept and drank the game 24/7/365 and are like closet video geeks in their passion for the game
what seperates the good from the great is the will and dedication to do whatever it takes

broken marriages
fucked up kids
finance issues up the ass
then comes the heart bypass at 48

its a job for fukin lunatics and then some

would bb cut off a toe with a shrimp fork for another ring??
he's cut his daughters toes off for another ring,dont doubt it

thank god these men exist to bring the nfl to another level of competetion

See Red · 09-19-2007, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by YanksHater213

I refuse to believe what See Red posted until its found true. Some of that is so extensive that I really doubt it happened, but wow, if that is true, what the fuck.

And I don't either. I read that article and I just want to see if anyone has any links that would provide more insight into what the guy who wrote this article is talking about. I won't say it's not a possibility, but I don't mean to accuse them of anything -- I just want to see what support there is to this guys claims.

IF it is -- and that's a BIG IF -- Belichick would almost have to be kicked out of the League permanently, wouldn't he?

And Crunchy's right. College coaches are lunatic with the time they have to put into their profession... NFL coaches take it to an entirely different level of insanity.

**schillingouttheks** · 09-19-2007, 12:38 PM

If what See Red posted is true, I'm done with Belichick. Done. I would be so behind kicking him out of the league.

Anyway, in response to what Kilo said, I saw that play. He wasn't yelling anything, he made a motion with his hand after Rivers made a hard count, and Colvin took the bait. The movement was enough to almost get a lineman to move to create a false start, but it wasn't intentional. He didn't by any means mimic the snap count.

See Red · 09-25-2007, 03:46 PM

Hate to bring this up again but the new Tuesday Morning Quarterback article brings up an interesting point about the spygate situation -- more specifically, why the NFL, who pledged to get to the bottom of this issue, destroyed the tapes so quickly.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...t&lid=tab1pos1

I find it extremely difficult to believe that this whole situation doesn't go a lot deeper than we know.

**schillingouttheks** · 09-25-2007, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by See Red

Hate to bring this up again but the new Tuesday Morning Quarterback article brings up an interesting point about the spygate situation -- more specifically, why the NFL, who pledged to get to the bottom of this issue, destroyed the tapes so quickly.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...t&lid=tab1pos1

I find it extremely difficult to believe that this whole situation doesn't go a lot deeper than we know.

I think they said that to the public (getting to the bottom of Spygate), but I think Goodell knew it was prevalent around the league. I mean, he got his hands on some tapes and destroyed them, but I doubt he ever intended to make a huge deal out of it. He wanted to set a precedent, which he did, but I don't think the investigation was going to go deep.

Sweet Chin Music33 · 09-26-2007, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheKilo

Didn't Roosevelt Colvin do this the other night?

2-8-SD44 (2:00) PENALTY on NE-R.Colvin, Defensive Delay of Game, 5 yards, enforced at SD 44 - No Play.

Im not sure if that is exactly what he was doing.

I know the penalty for calling opposing cadences is a personal foul for unsportsmanlike conduct.