Ryan Phillips - Page 2 - Talksox

CrespoBlows · 02-22-2006, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jsinger121

i never said he was glavine.....im saying that glavine does not throw hard and that pitchers who don't throw can be successful if they have control and can spot there pitches. philips is still young enough where he can develop so I wouldn't get throw him to the curb yet.

No one is throwing him to the curb right now, but you guys think it's so likely that just because he's 21 his fastball and other pitches are automatically going to improve. Even if they do improve, is a 90 mph fastball (probably his ceiling), and a below average arsenal of secondary stuff going to cut it in the big leagues?

jsinger121 · 02-22-2006, 04:40 PM

its called using the minor leagues to develop your secondary pitches. hence he is till 21 and has time to get to the big leagues.

CrespoBlows · 02-22-2006, 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jsinger121

its called using the minor leagues to develop your secondary pitches. hence he is till 21 and has time to get to the big leagues.

Buddy, you can work on your pitches as long as you want to, but if you weren't cut out to throw a curveball, then you aren't cut out to throw a curveball.

jsinger121 · 02-22-2006, 11:04 PM

you can learn how to throw pitches in the minors.....that is where you learn to refine your secondary pitches and learn new ones if possible. hell papelbon didn't know how to throw a splitter until schilling taught him last spring. instead of throwing philips to the curb give the guy some time to refine his secondary pitches. it takes time.....its not an overnight process where he can just learn a new pitch or refine one of his pitches.

CrespoBlows · 02-23-2006, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jsinger121

you can learn how to throw pitches in the minors.....that is where you learn to refine your secondary pitches and learn new ones if possible. hell papelbon didn't know how to throw a splitter until schilling taught him last spring. instead of throwing philips to the curb give the guy some time to refine his secondary pitches. it takes time.....its not an overnight process where he can just learn a new pitch or refine one of his pitches.

Of course you can learn how to throw pitches in the minor leagues, but how effective they are is another question. I'll give him time to develop, but whether he can successfully do I'll have my doubts.

BTW, where would you rank Phillips in terms of Red Sox prospects, and what do you think his ceiling is?

Cityofchampions33 · 02-23-2006, 02:35 PM

Crespo, ur basing ur assumptions of a scouting report of a 21 year old. If it were a 25+ year old then yea, the guy wanst meant to pitch for a living. Lester is the perfect expample of refining your pitches, the year before last, he was on track to be a decnt starter because he hadnt refined his secondary pitches to the level he needed. But when he did he became our most promising pitching prospect.

jsinger121 · 02-23-2006, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by CrespoBlows

Of course you can learn how to throw pitches in the minor leagues, but how effective they are is another question. I'll give him time to develop, but whether he can successfully do I'll have my doubts.

BTW, where would you rank Phillips in terms of Red Sox prospects, and what do you think his ceiling is?

i would rank him in the red sox top 20 probably between 15-18. he has pretty good upside if he can stay healthy. if he develops properly a #3-4 starter. he did have a frayed labrum which caused him to miss the 2004 pro season.

Cityofchampions33 · 02-23-2006, 03:46 PM

Good to hear

CrespoBlows · 02-23-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cityofchampions33

Crespo, ur basing ur assumptions of a scouting report of a 21 year old. If it were a 25+ year old then yea, the guy wanst meant to pitch for a living. Lester is the perfect expample of refining your pitches, the year before last, he was on track to be a decnt starter because he hadnt refined his secondary pitches to the level he needed. But when he did he became our most promising pitching prospect.

Another bad example. Lester throws 95 mph, and COULD throw secondary pitches. He had a outstanding year in single A Sarasota.

Phillips throws 87 mph at max. That's right now. Now, do you really believe he can improve that much to become at least a 3 starter? Unless he has gets at least two secondary pitches, he's just middle relief material.

Cityofchampions33 · 02-23-2006, 04:32 PM

What are you talkin about, the year before his whole rep was that he had the velocity (which before was low 90's not 95) and needed to sharpen his secondary pitches.

jsinger121 · 02-23-2006, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CrespoBlows

Another bad example. Lester throws 95 mph, and COULD throw secondary pitches. He had a outstanding year in single A Sarasota.

Phillips throws 87 mph at max. That's right now. Now, do you really believe he can improve that much to become at least a 3 starter? Unless he has gets at least two secondary pitches, he's just middle relief material.

he is now two years removed from an injury in which he should only be stronger. he has time to refine his secondary pitches. he doesn't need to throw 95 to get people out. if he tops out at 91 as a lefthander and if his secondary pitches develop he has a chance to be good. to me it seems like you want to write off ryan philips 1 yr into his pro career.

CrespoBlows · 02-23-2006, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jsinger121

he is now two years removed from an injury in which he should only be stronger. he has time to refine his secondary pitches. he doesn't need to throw 95 to get people out. if he tops out at 91 as a lefthander and if his secondary pitches develop he has a chance to be good. to me it seems like you want to write off ryan philips 1 yr into his pro career.

I'm not writing him off, I'm saying that he's not that good of a prospect.

Sure, he can throw 91 mph, but have you seen his secondary pitches? They're terrible, he's shown absolutely nothing to indicate that he could at least develop into a number three.

Just so you know, a college trained pitcher SHOULD get SS A ball hitters out.

jsinger121 · 02-23-2006, 04:54 PM

a 7-2 record with a 2.28 era is really not getting hitters out. granted his k/bb ratio needs to improve but with experience and improvement he can take that next step.

riverside sluggers · 02-23-2006, 05:00 PM

As it stands right now, his stats speak for themselves. He led the starters in lowest ERA, and made the all-star team.

Heading into the 2006 season, I'll be sure to track his appearances.

Cityofchampions33 · 02-23-2006, 06:19 PM

No, everyone agrees he has potential and is a top 15-20 spect, just Crespo forgets he's 21 years old