Justin Masterson - Page 3 - Talksox

pats55sox45 · 07-29-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdsxmbnt

what a stud: 6.2 IP, 3 hits, 2 ER, 0 BB, 10 K

In the 4th he gave up a single up the middle and then a HR and that was the only mistakes he made. He is dominating AA hitters.

On the season now:

26 IP, 10 hits, 3 ER, 5 BB, 32 K, 1.04 ERA

thats 11.07 K/9, and a 6.4 K/BB

is he ahead of bowden now anyone think?

ksushi · 07-29-2007, 03:03 PM

I think its close. Bowden is so young and has such great stuff, but Masterson is really impressing right now.

Rdsxmbnt · 07-31-2007, 12:22 PM

Masterson has a start tonight at 7, and ill say this, he'd better be on that mound

Rdsxmbnt · 07-31-2007, 08:57 PM

He did indeed start today, though not his best start, not bad:

7 IP, 5 hits, 2 ER, 3 BB/3 K, 15-3 GO-FO

On the season:
33 IP, 15 hits, 5 ER, 8 BB, 35 K, 1.36 ERA

9.54 K/9, 2.18 BB/9, 4.37 K/BB, 0.27 HR/9, and of course ridiculous G/F numbers but I dont know the exact numbers

Rdsxmbnt · 08-05-2007, 02:46 PM

Another fantastic start for Masterson: 6 IP, 4 hits, (2 runs) 1 ER, 1 BB, 10 K, 7-1 GO-FO

All hits were singles, amazing he's completly dominating AA. This was his 2nd 10 K game for Portland, and he's gone 6+ innings in all of his starts.

On the season now: 39 IP, 19 hits, 9 BB, 45 K, 1.38 ERA

That's 10.38 K/9, 2.08 BB/9, 5.0 K/BB, 0.23 HR/9. And an insane GB/FB ratio

ksushi · 08-05-2007, 04:43 PM

Masterson is quickly becoming one of our best prospects. What a monster.

AA for the rest of the season?

ORS · 08-16-2007, 09:13 PM

8 runs last time out. 7 tonight.

All I can say is I hope he's hurt, because that blows.

das11209 · 08-16-2007, 09:54 PM

If this guy falls apart - the Dye trade will be second guessed for a long time.

**schillingouttheks** · 08-16-2007, 10:09 PM

It's already being second guessed.

Rdsxmbnt · 08-16-2007, 11:04 PM

Call me a prospect homer or w/e but you dont trade a prospect like Masterson and a cost-controlled set-up man for a 1yr bench player.

CrespoBlows · 08-17-2007, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdsxmbnt

Call me a prospect homer or w/e but you dont trade a prospect like Masterson and a cost-controlled set-up man for a 1yr bench player.

Dye would have been playing a lot more often than the average bench player. Ortiz is really scuffling in August, getting him some time off would have been very valuable for the team in October.

Besides, how badly do we need Masterson? I know there's no such thing as too much pitching, but Buchholz, Lester, Papelbon, Matsuzaka, Beckett, and Bowden are all under 27 years old.

This team is probably one or two in terms of the best team of baseball. Having Dye's bat in the lineup would have made them the unquestioned favorite for the World Series. I'd take that in exchange for our future 7th inning relief pitcher.

jacksonianmarch · 08-17-2007, 01:03 AM

I agree. This isnt the yankees here who have one spot filled long term with a proven effective major league pitcher (Wang). The sox have 2 spots filled with proven guys in DMats and Beckett and both will be there long term. That makes things a whole lot easier and makes the second tier guys a whole lot more expendable. You figure that the sox long term spots are..

1. Beckett
2. Matsuzaka
3. Buchholz
4. Lester
5. Bowden

and a point can be made that even if the sox dont make ANY trades or FA signings that even at his best, Masterson wont make the rotation. And how likely is it that the sox wont sign one FA or make one pitching trade? Exactly. And notice, if one of the trio of Buchholz/Lester/Bowden reach their potential, then the sox would have a killer top 3 which makes the last 2 spots a whole lot less meaningful.

Move to the pen.

Closer- Papelbon
Set-up- Okajima
7th inning- Delcarmen

outside of these three guys, I have Masterson as 3rd on the long term depth chart with Hansen and Lopez (only because he is a loogy) ahead of him. Like I said before, the top 2 spots are filled with proven guys and Masterson's slot even if he pans out totally in the pen, is likely to be that of what Brendan Donnelly had prior to his injury. I know you can never have enough pitching, but when your big time spots are filled, you can afford to part with some.

In opposition to this theory is the yankees and Alan Horne. Horne is very similar to Masterson although he seems to be a bit more advanced in terms of his potential as a starter. The Yankees had the opportunity to fix up a big hole in their pen short term with Gagne who at the time was considered to be a wonderful option for the pen. With a guy like Horne and with the yankees aging pitching staff, parting with him is a whole lot more painful. Here's why...

Long term, the yankees staff has one proven MLB starter
1. Wang

The second guy you can pencil in will be Hughes who looks like he certainly could be a good one, but he is far from a proven commodity. So pencil Wang and Hughes in top 2. Following them would be Chamberlain (if he isnt considered closer to be when mo hangs em up), Kennedy, then Horne. So long term, Horne is in our plans as the #5. There are tons of options behind him like Marquez, Clippard, Wright, Kontos, McCutchen, Sanchez, Garcia, Nova, McCallister, Brackman, Betances, el al, but Horne is more advanced or is flat out better than all of them. Hence, dealing a guy like Horne, who many consider to be a top of the middle tier type pitching prospect, could have had devastating effects on a neophyte rotation.

Looking at the pen..
???
Bruney maybe, Britton maybe. Edwar maybe. Henn maybe. Chamberlain maybe. There isnt anything locked in like you guys have. To go along with guys like Cox, Sanchez, Melancon, Robertson and others, you have a very unproven neophyte pen for the future that brims with talent, but does not have the proven major league efficacy that yours does. Hence, for us, dealing a guy with the kind of arsenal and versatility for a half yr rental could really hurt us, even though our minor league pitching depth is far superior.

Hence, I think the majority of the guys on this site are correct. Masterson shouldnt have been a breaking point in the Dye negotiations as he isnt as integral to the sox as a a guy who is very similar to him is to the yankees. Team specific is the way you have to look at it.

das11209 · 08-17-2007, 09:29 AM

If Kenny asked for both MDC and this kid along with WMP - that was way too much. But in my opinion Theo should have pulled the trigger if MDC was not involved in the Dye deal and shut Papi down till mid September.

Rdsxmbnt · 08-19-2007, 10:23 AM

guess he was hurt, he was placed on the 15 Day DL with a strained calf according to soxprospects.

UC9904 · 08-19-2007, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by das11209

If this guy falls apart - the Dye trade will be second guessed for a long time.

Cut the crap. Masterson is an elite pitching prospect regardless of the fact that he has had TWO--yes, I know two poor performances in a row is unheard of for a prospect--poor starts in a row. Giving up a talent such as Masterson should not be done for a rental...especially since one of Hansen or Delcarmen reportedly would have had to have been involved in the deal as well.

Oh, and I'm guessing there's a decent chance that an injury had something to do with it.