Pedroia HAS to start. PERIOD - Page 2 - Talksox

HeadOfSoxNation · 11-22-2006, 01:03 AM

SOMEONE JUST PLEAAAAAASE FREAKING TELL ME WHAT THIS GUY'S DONE TO PROVE THAT HE CAN PERFORM IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES?!? NOTHING! NOT A SINGLE FREAKING THING!! I KNOW HE'S TORN UP THE MINORS, BUT HE WAS GIVEN A CHANCE LAST YEAR TO PLAY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME IN THE BIGS AND HE WAS BELOW AVERAGE AT BEST!!! COMMON PEOPLE...HE HASSSSS TO START?!?!?!?

Phew...had to vent there for a second...

Watching Pedroia play last year was, to me, like getting all pumped up to go to your first strip club, going in, and seeing girls dancing around in parkas and leg warmers. I was so freaking excited and then he did NOTHING. He couldn't have even hit Matt FREAKING Clement if he was given the chance, and I could hit that bum. He's gotta prove himself in the spring before anyone gives this guy ANY kind of a starting job...or a job in the bigs at all for that matter.

a700hitter · 11-22-2006, 01:23 AM

I think it would be a mistake to give him the job on the first day of spring training.

jsinger121 · 11-22-2006, 01:29 AM

Here is a quote from Mark Loretta that was in the Boston Globe

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"They haven't made an offer," he said. "Everything we've heard is that they're going with [Dustin Pedroia], that they don't want to retard his development."

Fried Neckbones · 11-22-2006, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by a700hitter

I think it would be a mistake to give him the job on the first day of spring training.

Honestly, though, who is going to compete with him for the job? Cora? It would not be smart to bring in a free agent or trade for a 2b just to compete with Pedrioa - not to mention that it would completely shatter his confidence. There really isn't anybody else in their system who would deserve an invite to spring training. He's 23, plays good d, and will adjust to MLB pitching. He may not end up being a super-star, but he will be a solid middle infielder.

Also, he'll be cheap, freeing up more $$$ for Lugo, Drew, Matsuzaka, and whoever else in on the FO radar.

MC Hammer · 11-22-2006, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Fried Neckbones

Honestly, though, who is going to compete with him for the job? Cora? It would not be smart to bring in a free agent or trade for a 2b just to compete with Pedrioa - not to mention that it would completely shatter his confidence. There really isn't anybody else in their system who would deserve an invite to spring training. He's 23, plays good d, and will adjust to MLB pitching. He may not end up being a super-star, but he will be a solid middle infielder.

Also, he'll be cheap, freeing up more $$$ for Lugo, Drew, Matsuzaka, and whoever else in on the FO radar.

I love how money never matters until you guys want a prospect to play. Hey we can pay 51 million for a cup of coffee with some kid ... but lets not go crazy and spend 4 million a year on a 2B. Lets try and be consistant here.

jsinger121 · 11-22-2006, 01:54 AM

The last time I checked Bill James still works for the Red Sox and is a pretty big voice in the Sox FO. He gave a very solid 2007 projection for Pedroia that I'm sure the FO will likely go with in their assessment. His projection for him were numbers that had ROY potential. Loretta is good as gone.

Fried Neckbones · 11-22-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MC Hammer

I love how money never matters until you guys want a prospect to play. Hey we can pay 51 million for a cup of coffee with some kid ... but lets not go crazy and spend 4 million a year on a 2B. Lets try and be consistant here.

I'm not saying that the Sox front office does not spend money, nor that they should NOT spend money on players. I'm saying that they should not spend ridiculous amounts of money on every player at every position. If saving $3.5 million on a 2b means getting Drew, I'm all for that.

bosoxnation07 · 11-22-2006, 07:28 AM

Give the kid a chance. He hit .191 in what like 30 at bats? Lets get a little larger number of AB before we say he will never hit a ball. Manny always starts out with a shitty BA in the beginning of every season, then he catches fire and bats .300 every year. Im not saying Pedroia is Manny by any stretch of the imagination but Pedroia is expected to be a .270ish hitter. Which I think would be decent for a nine hole hitter. This is why its called a BA avg. Maybe we just got the low end of it. Maybe his bat will be better next time around.

MC Hammer · 11-22-2006, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fried Neckbones

I'm not saying that the Sox front office does not spend money, nor that they should NOT spend money on players. I'm saying that they should not spend ridiculous amounts of money on every player at every position. If saving $3.5 million on a 2b means getting Drew, I'm all for that.

Eventhough you could use the same logic ... and just start WMP instead of signing Drew ... and then use that money elsewhere?

On a side note ... if both start this year WMP's number will blow JD Drew's away.

edge4414 · 11-22-2006, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadOfSoxNation

SOMEONE JUST PLEAAAAAASE FREAKING TELL ME WHAT THIS GUY'S DONE TO PROVE THAT HE CAN PERFORM IN THE MAJOR LEAGUES?!? NOTHING! NOT A SINGLE FREAKING THING!! I KNOW HE'S TORN UP THE MINORS, BUT HE WAS GIVEN A CHANCE LAST YEAR TO PLAY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME IN THE BIGS AND HE WAS BELOW AVERAGE AT BEST!!! COMMON PEOPLE...HE HASSSSS TO START?!?!?!?

Phew...had to vent there for a second...

Watching Pedroia play last year was, to me, like getting all pumped up to go to your first strip club, going in, and seeing girls dancing around in parkas and leg warmers. I was so freaking excited and then he did NOTHING. He couldn't have even hit Matt FREAKING Clement if he was given the chance, and I could hit that bum. He's gotta prove himself in the spring before anyone gives this guy ANY kind of a starting job...or a job in the bigs at all for that matter.

Going with this logic Markakis would have been sent to the minors at mid-season or before and H Kendrick wouldn't be the Angels 2b. Both failed miserably in their early opportunity but look pretty good now.

bosoxnation07 · 11-22-2006, 03:09 PM

Ya lets just trade him so we can bitch when he breaks out like hanley and sanchez.

redsoxrules · 11-22-2006, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MC Hammer

Eventhough you could use the same logic ... and just start WMP instead of signing Drew ... and then use that money elsewhere?

On a side note ... if both start this year WMP's number will blow JD Drew's away.

if anything WMP is gonna blow past strike 3, 200 times

Mr Crunchy · 11-22-2006, 04:42 PM

pat listach was a rookie of the year 2nd basemen 15 years ago
anyone remember him??
he of the 5 career homeruns and 143 career rbi??
didnt think so

anyone remember the last time we had an allstar 2nd basemen outside loretta??
i go back to mike andrews,doug griffin,denny doyle,marty barrett,jody reed,luis alicea etc...
i dont remember any of them making the allstar team although barrett had an awesome 86 world series

loretta turns the dp hits .300 and is limited in range...someone said 4-5M per?
we'd been paying 2nd basemen the league minimum for 20 years till loretta came and then blam
we got an allstar

pedroia??
maybe hes ROY material just like pat listash was
hopefully he ends up more like loretta though

Bosoxwest · 11-22-2006, 07:08 PM

This is ridiculous.

At age 24 in AAA Mark Loretta was a tweener MIF who put up an OPS of .737 after putting up .767 in AA at age 23.
At age 23 in AAA Dustin Pedroia was a tweener MIF who put up an OPS of .810, after putting up an OPS of .917 in Portland at age 22.

At age 35 Loretta had an OPS of .706, and 23-year old Pedroia only put up a .561 OPS. They both sucked. However, their peripherals were pretty well matched:

BB rate: Loretta 7 % / Pedroia 7% (although historically Pedroia's IsoD is far superior)
K rate: Loretta 9% / Pedroia 7% (Pedroia = lowest on team)
LD%: Loretta 27.1% / Pedroia 22.5% (both good, Loretta exceptional)
IsoP: Loretta .076 / Pedroia .112 (Pedroia showed more power)
BABIP: Loretta .310 / Pedroia .181 (Pedroia under Cub-esque curse at the plate)

DEF:
RF: Loretta 4.88 / Pedroia 6.19
ZR: Loretta .805 / Pedroia .857

These guys are basically the same mental and physical make-up: the difference is Pedroia is more athletic, and freaking 12 years younger, and $2.6M cheaper. He will start at 2B next year, as he should.

AZBlue · 11-23-2006, 10:48 PM

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Ya lets just trade him so we can bitch when he breaks out like hanley and sanchez.

Every scout who has watched both Hanley Ramirez and Dustin Pedroia play would laugh at that comparison.