Sox top 50 - Page 3 - Talksox

scaffolds · 02-11-2007, 07:08 PM

25- Christian Lara SS
24- Mark Wagner C
23- Ryan Phillips LHP
22- Jed Lowrie 2B
21- Lars Anderson 1B
20- Caleb Clay RHP
19- Carlos Fernandez LF
18- David Murphy CF
17- Kris Johnson LHP
16- Chad Spann 3B
15- Devern Hansack RHP
14- Luis Soto RF
13- Brandon Moss RF
12- Justin Masterson RHP
11- Kyle Jackson RHP
10- George Kotaras C
09- Bryson Cox RHP
08- Felix Doubront LHP
07- Daniel Bard RHP
06- Edgar Martinez RHP
05- Dustin Pedroia 2B
04- Jason Place RF
03- Michael Bowden RHP
02- Clay Buchholz RHP
01- Jacoby Ellsbury CF

AZBlue · 02-12-2007, 10:27 PM

If the Red Sox had a chance to make a major trade that would help the team, which player in the top 10 of Scaffolds' list would you give up if the other team said, "Pick one of these 10 to complete the trade"? For me, the choice would be very easy (Pedroia). I think that nine of the top 10 and Lars Anderson are the prospects with the most upside in the organization. I base that on potential, not past performance. Soto and Phillips are on the cusp in that catagory.

jacksonianmarch · 02-12-2007, 10:45 PM

you have a few DSL signees from last yr on that list. I know for the yankees lists, the only DSL signee is Montero on the top 50. Is the back end of the top 50 that weak that a bunch of DSL signees who have never hit in the DSL make it, or are those guys that good that they make the list squarely off talent?

jacksonianmarch · 02-12-2007, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by AZBlue

If the Red Sox had a chance to make a major trade that would help the team, which player in the top 10 of Scaffolds' list would you give up if the other team said, "Pick one of these 10 to complete the trade"? For me, the choice would be very easy (Pedroia). I think that nine of the top 10 and Lars Anderson are the prospects with the most upside in the organization. I base that on potential, not past performance. Soto and Phillips are on the cusp in that catagory.

ALWAYS give up the position prospects, especially the ones without high power potential before you deal pitching. I'd move Ellsbury and Pedroia before I deal the B's.

bosoxnation07 · 02-13-2007, 08:32 AM

06- Edgar Martinez RHP

04- Jason Place RF

Those are the only ones and i'm iffy on Place because I don't know much about him.

Scaffolds, how good is Place? Is he a big time prospect with power or any big league tools?

One Red Seat · 02-13-2007, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

you have a few DSL signees from last yr on that list. I know for the yankees lists, the only DSL signee is Montero on the top 50. Is the back end of the top 50 that weak that a bunch of DSL signees who have never hit in the DSL make it, or are those guys that good that they make the list squarely off talent?

It's the ceiling vs. level argument again. Why don't you stop wasting your time reading the tea leaves? If you want to think of the system as weak, then just believe it and stop trying to fabricate confirmation.

One Red Seat · 02-13-2007, 08:43 AM

I agree AZ, Pedroia would be my choice too. I'd even go so far as to add Kris Johnson and Justin Masterson to the list of people I'd keep over Pedroia based on potential. I think Dustin will be a solid MLB 2B, but not spectacular.

One Red Seat · 02-13-2007, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bosoxnation07

06- Edgar Martinez RHP

04- Jason Place RF

Those are the only ones and i'm iffy on Place because I don't know much about him.

Scaffolds, how good is Place? Is he a big time prospect with power or any big league tools?

Place, for his age, has it all. He's got the potential to be a 5-tool player at the highest level. He's one to get excited about.

jacksonianmarch · 02-13-2007, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by One Red Seat

It's the ceiling vs. level argument again. Why don't you stop wasting your time reading the tea leaves? If you want to think of the system as weak, then just believe it and stop trying to fabricate confirmation.

ORS, I am not fabricating anything. My point is that as far as DSL classes go, the yankees have probably one of the strongest (2 consecutive championships) and from the reports I have been reading, they have some seriously high potential in that system, but only one DSL player makes the top 50. And that was Montero, the consensus top INTL signing in the world.

My question wasnt bullshit ORS. I wanted to know if Tejeda and the like are that good that they make the top 50 without playing a DSL game or is the sox back end of the system weak enough so that the potential of these far away DSL kids gets them a spot in the top 50.

I know a significant amount about the top 20 on the sox, and though it has some issues at the high levels, they have some serious talent there. After the top 20, it looks like the ceilings drops off significantly. This is where scaff can help shed a little light on things.

One Red Seat · 02-13-2007, 09:03 AM

Are you telling me you don't think Montero has a high enough ceiling to surpass 10 or so of the guys at the back of the Yankee rankings? I do. It all boils down to the same argument you have been reminded of time and time again. Ceiling vs. Level. Montero was the #1 Int'l signing, but Beltre and Tejada were both top-5's. If someone favors tools over level (which in some cases is just age/experience) then those type of players will make the back end of top-50's regardless of what level they have played thus far.

bosoxnation07 · 02-13-2007, 09:10 AM

How far is he from the ML?

One Red Seat · 02-13-2007, 09:16 AM

Place? He'll probably be in low-A this year, and he's young, just out of HS, so I don't see him jumping levels in a year like you see with the college kids. Sept call-up in '10 is probably an optimistic expectation.

jacksonianmarch · 02-13-2007, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by One Red Seat

Are you telling me you don't think Montero has a high enough ceiling to surpass 10 or so of the guys at the back of the Yankee rankings? I do. It all boils down to the same argument you have been reminded of time and time again. Ceiling vs. Level. Montero was the #1 Int'l signing, but Beltre and Tejada were both top-5's. If someone favors tools over level (which in some cases is just age/experience) then those type of players will make the back end of top-50's regardless of what level they have played thus far.

See, that is what I wanted to see. I didnt know that about them and the complete lack of diehard's analysis on this has kept me in the dark. Fair point.

jacksonianmarch · 02-13-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by One Red Seat

Place? He'll probably be in low-A this year, and he's young, just out of HS, so I don't see him jumping levels in a year like you see with the college kids. Sept call-up in '10 is probably an optimistic expectation.

Place is a rare HS talent. He has MLB power but his strikeout rate and pitch recognition is his bane. He needs to be taken slowly.

bosoxnation07 · 02-13-2007, 09:22 AM

So maybe he will be ready to take over in RF when the Drew contract is up.