Lester Rehab - Talksox

ksushi · 04-06-2007, 04:35 PM

Hit 96 mph on the gun at Greenville. Anyone still think he needs a lot of time?

TGov · 04-06-2007, 04:37 PM

Lester went 4.0 scoreless innings and let up 1 hit... I heard he's gonna get at least 4 more minor league starts...

mosox · 05-01-2007, 11:17 AM

From ProJo on Lester's start Friday in Pawtucket:

The first and last pitch of his five-inning, 84-pitch outing registered 94 mph, and everything in between was efficient as he had solid command of the strike zone. He worked five shutout innings, allowing just three hits with six strikeouts and no walks.

“I felt good,” he said. “It was good to get the first one (at Triple A) under my belt. I got the reins off a little bit and was able to throw more pitches, so it was good.”

Lester is slated to start again for Pawtucket on Wednesday (90-95 pitches) before the Red Sox make a decision whether he’ll join Boston or continue with the PawSox. Because he’s been so good, it’s likely he’ll join the Sox’ rotation.

He retired the side in order in the first inning, needing just 15 pitches (10 strikes). In the second, he surrendered the first of three hits of the game — a single up the middle by the Bisons’ Joe Inglett — and faced only four batters, while tossing 22 pitches (15 strikes). In the third, he faced four batters — one reached on an error — and Lester threw 12 pitches (9 strikes).

After two quick outs in the fourth inning, he allowed another single to Inglett, but picked him off first base to end the inning after just 10 pitches (6 strikes). Lester closed out his outing with a 25-pitch inning (16 strikes) and allowed one hit to the Bisons’ Mike Rose.

Lester received another ovation as he left the field after the top of the fifth inning.

BoSox21 · 05-01-2007, 11:35 AM

He seems ready enough and its not like he's being counted on to come up here and be a savior for the rotation

jacksonianmarch · 05-02-2007, 09:40 PM

http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal..._has_fore.html

forearm cramping. This is exactly how Humberto Sanchez and Carl Pavano initially started. Send him for an MRI and stop his rehab for awhile.

a700hitter · 05-02-2007, 09:53 PM

This is why I don't get all excited about prospects. There are too many pitfalls. If he is injured, it is way too common a story. I remember reading an article in the 70's where Fisk was interviewed during Spring Training. He said that he didn't bother to talk to rookies in Camp, because they have very little chance of making the team and he didn't see any reason to develop a relationship with people that would be gone in a couple of weeks. At the time I though it was a little cold, but now I see his point. I'll get worked up about lester or Bucholz when they have 150+ innings under their belts in a year and 10 wins.

ksushi · 05-03-2007, 02:43 PM

Jesus christ, a minor fore-arm cramp and now hes carl pavano? Sometimes I wonder...

jacksonianmarch · 05-03-2007, 04:24 PM

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Jesus christ, a minor fore-arm cramp and now hes carl pavano? Sometimes I wonder...

never read minor forearm cramp and think it is innocuous. A lot of elbow problems can start out symptomatically with forearm pain. I said the same thing once Pavano went down.

a700hitter · 05-04-2007, 01:42 AM

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Jesus christ, a minor fore-arm cramp and now hes carl pavano? Sometimes I wonder...

I wonder why we didn't pull the trigger on Lester, MDC, Hansen and Crisp for a total established major league stud like Oswalt. All 3 of those pitchers will not total Oswalt's career win #'s.

I really hope Lester starts to dominate in AAA and we move him in a package for a big time ML pitcher. If Lester starts to win with his new team, we can get him back when he becomes arbitration eligible by offering Bowden or some other top prospect. I have no patience for learning on the job with a $150 million payroll. Let someone else train him.

CrespoBlows · 05-04-2007, 08:43 AM

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I wonder why we didn't pull the trigger on Lester, MDC, Hansen and Crisp for a total established major league stud like Oswalt. All 3 of those pitchers will not total Oswalt's career win #'s.

Because the Houston Astros said no to the deal?

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I really hope Lester starts to dominate in AAA and we move him in a package for a big time ML pitcher.

List a few you might think are available.

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If Lester starts to win with his new team, we can get him back when he becomes arbitration eligible by offering Bowden or some other top prospect.

It's really that simple?

a700hitter · 05-04-2007, 05:55 PM

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Because the Houston Astros said no to the deal?

That's not what was being reported at the time. They walked away from the Red Sox offer, which was never disclosed. The Astros were rumored to be asking for the 3 pitchers and Crisp. Why would they walk away from the trade they proposed?

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List a few you might think are available.

That's Theo's job to figure out who is available.

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It's really that simple?

It depends on the organization he lands with. I remember getting a Cy Young winner from the Expos for our top two pitching prospects.

TheKilo · 05-04-2007, 06:24 PM

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That's not what was being reported at the time. They walked away from the Red Sox offer, which was never disclosed. The Astros were rumored to be asking for the 3 pitchers and Crisp. Why would they walk away from the trade they proposed?

Source?

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That's Theo's job to figure out who is available.

With the pitching market the way it is I highly doubt any big-time ML pitchers are available. Besides, if he dominates AAA he can help the team out by starting for us.

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It depends on the organization he lands with. I remember getting a Cy Young winner from the Expos for our top two pitching prospects.

Bowden has the tendency to ask for the moon, remember? We went over this in the offseason when he was shopping Cordero.

a700hitter · 05-04-2007, 07:14 PM

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Source?

This is slightly different than my recollection, but nonetheless the FO balked at dealing Lester.

From ProJo:

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But the deal then hit two snags. While the Sox were willing to include Coco Crisp and Craig Hansen to get Jones, they were adamant in refusing the Braves' request to include rookie lefty Jon Lester. As good as Oswalt is, the Sox, currently shorthanded in their rotation, couldn't see the logic in subtracting one pitcher to add another.

http://www.projo.com/redsox/content/...l.1a4b47d.html

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With the pitching market the way it is I highly doubt any big-time ML pitchers are available. Besides, if he dominates AAA he can help the team out by starting for us.

Maybe none are available today, but that could change in a month. Dominating in AAA is a far cry from succeeding in the majors.

ksushi · 05-04-2007, 07:20 PM

Young pitching is a huge asset to any organization and its so hard to acquire by trade or on the market. So Lester might not be Sandy Koufax, sorry. He hasn't played in the majors for a while and the sample size we have is very small and here you are petitioning to have this kid sent out for a bat boy. You need to calm down, we've all heard you sing this tune before, and frankly I don't think I'm alone in saying I'm quite bored of it.

Just don't say anything and wait and see what happens, thats really all we can do. I don't know that Lester will be great, but where do you get off telling all of us that you know he won't total any significant amount of wins the in the majors? What do you know more than all of us? I don't think so.

How bout just sit back and be the arm chair pundit you always are, but without so much lip action. It's getting boring, at least on this topic. There is only so much of the broken record that I can take.

a700hitter · 05-04-2007, 07:45 PM

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Young pitching is a huge asset to any organization and its so hard to acquire by trade or on the market.

Oswalt is a young pitcher too... and he is an accomplished star.

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I don't know that Lester will be great, but where do you get off telling all of us that you know he won't total any significant amount of wins the in the majors? What do you know more than all of us? I don't think so.

I specifically said that I don't think the trio of MDC, Hansen and Lester will combine to win as many games as Oswalt. MDC is 25 an has 2 wins. By that age, Oswalt had 33 wins. Hansen and Lester are 23. When Oswalt was 23, he was in the midst of a 14-3 season with a 2.73 ERA. Hansen is not close to making it back to the majors and it remains to be seen when Lester will be called up. I stand by my statement that the 3 of these guys added together will not equal Oswalt's career. It was assinine not to have included Lester in that trade. They should have put on the full court press to get an accomplished young arm like Oswalt.

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How bout just sit back and be the arm chair pundit you always are, but without so much lip action. It's getting boring, at least on this topic. There is only so much of the broken record that I can take.

I don't have a good feeling about Lester. I have never been very impressed with his ability or execution, and I am not at all confident about his health. If he can be re-established as a premier prospect, I'd prefer that they move him to get a quality, proven ML starter.