2007 Red Sox minor league notes. - Page 2 - Talksox

scaffolds · 07-08-2007, 11:44 AM

Let me see where i should start to repond to your friendly post, when I have a problem (post) about a player its because lack of talent and not because of been a racist like you claim, however those players that you defended are all white players, so what is the issue here are you a RACIST or better yet do you a personal interest in anyone of them? Which I believe that you do.

Like I posted earlier about Beazly and Papelbon, they're 24 yrs pitching against hitters a lot younger than they're in Low A ball. Lets take Papelbon for example you have a picher that pitches in the low 80's with the only movenment of the pitch comes from the arm angle that he pitches and while he pitches to a lot less experienced hitters he its getting hit to a 293 average and has allowed more hits than innings pitched (51 H-45 IP) Beaszly and his great control on the other hand pitches with a fastball that sits at 85 and may not touch any harder than 87 has a 5.22 ERA in 101 IP while allowing 12 HR. last night for example was another example of it, but I understand this might be to much for you to understand.

In my post about Mario Pena if you could read I said that he wasn't a very good prospect, but while he was getting released another LHP like Adam Blackley with less talent keep getting opportunities after opportunities just because he was Australian like his fellow countrymen Craig Shipley.

In your post you keep saying that I flip out, well if expresing my view point is fliping out then i flip, but it's very clear that some of those Latin players that you mentioned they didn't get the same opportunities as the other non latin players.

One last point I post about Latin players because its hard to get information about them and like to share my knowledge whith my fellows prospect follower if you have an issue with it don't read it, however its my opinion that your issue is that i gave out the facts of a personal interest of yours.

jacksonianmarch · 07-08-2007, 11:49 AM

I think the deal here is that the dominican players come up much rawer but with much more projection. Some of these fringe guys that he is talking about are about as finished a product as they are going to be. Scaff isnt a racist. He likes projection. Even if the projection is not going to be reached, there is the off chance that the kid will put it together. I mean, it isnt like Papelbon is going to "find it" and start throwing 95.

scaffolds · 07-10-2007, 03:13 PM

Puerto Rican SS/2B Kenneth Roque who was the Red Sox 10th round pick last June and signed to a $70, 000 had a heck of a day Monday 7/09 while playing in the GCL when he commited 5 errors while playing second base, to offset that he is hitting for a 125 average. Did I said that Roque now has 12 errors in the season, 12 errors in 13 games played.

scaffolds · 07-11-2007, 08:15 PM

LHP Felix Doubront who at the end of last season was considered one of the Red Sox top pitching prospects and who has had health (Hernia) issues and when pitching hasn't pitched well was taking out in his start today (3th inning) with Greenville with elbow issues.

Outfielder Jeff Corsolatti was the staring center fielder for the North in tonight's Easlern league All Star game.

scaffolds · 07-12-2007, 06:04 PM

RHP Wang-Yi Lin Had T/J surgery.

The Red Sox GCL under the direction of hitting coach Ul Washington isn't very impresive, it will be wise for the Sox player development to make some changes this offseason. In addition the Sox defense particular second baseman Kenneth Roque and catcher Mattew Cooney are below average.

scaffolds · 07-12-2007, 09:34 PM

Some Pitching scouting reports on Red Sox pitching prospects in the GCL.

Pedro Perez is a string bean 6-4 170 RHP, the 19 yrs Dominica fastball is 88-90 that tops at 92 but has very good command.

Scott Blue The Red Sox fifth round pick in 2005 has a very good arm, but not command at all and when he throws strikes are normally in the heart of the plate and gets hits hard.

Argenis Paulino playing in his second year in the GCL the 21 yrs 6-6 205 Dominican doesn't throw as hard as someone of his size should, his fastball sits at 88 and touches 90 mainly because of lack of arm speed, but has good command.

Mauricio Mendez also its playing in his second year in the GCL and its the best prospect out of this group and could have a future as a reliever with a fastball in the 91-92 range from a 3/4 arm slott with good movement. Mendez is a 6-6 200 is a 21 yrs Dominican.

Rdsxmbnt · 07-12-2007, 09:44 PM

what do you think of LH Jose Capellan? on the season he's now pitched:

25 IP, 20 hits, 30/4 K/BB, 3.75 ERA for Single-A Lowell. ERA is a bit high but peripherals are solid, no HR allowed either.

scaffolds · 07-12-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdsxmbnt

what do you think of LH Jose Capellan? on the season he's now pitched:

25 IP, 20 hits, 30/4 K/BB, 3.75 ERA for Single-A Lowell. ERA is a bit high but peripherals are solid, no HR allowed either.

Like I talked about ealier in the thread, Capellan is a LHP to keep an eye on, The Sox also have a 18 yrs Venezuelan in the GCL (Jose Alvarez) with an low 90 fastball that its very well regarded and a 18 yrs Dominican (Cesar Cabral) who has pitched very well in the DSL.

scaffolds · 07-13-2007, 01:36 PM

That great prospect, well, at least in the dark eyes of "ABEFROMEN" Josh Papelbon had a great night with Greenville Thursday night. 1/3 IP 5 H (1 HR) 1 BB 6 ER, OH by the way he is ERA is now 4.47

RobZombie · 07-14-2007, 10:16 AM

Scaff-

I don't think that anyone in their right mind thinks that Josh Papelbon is a top prospect. Not even "Abefromen". He's 24, pitching in low A ball with peripherals that are decent but not dominant.

However, you take this one step further and say that Papelbon deserves no credit for pitching decently and should just be thrown away in favor of players who haven't performed well.

In other words, you still have missed the overall point in that you seem to sing the praises of terrible players if they are Latin and want white players who are performing well to be shown the door. You even take this to the extreme by trying to imply that Julio Lugo is almost as good as Youkilis!

I agree with your point that its possible that the Red Sox aren't doing all they can to develop and nurture young talented Latin players, but you take it to the extreme.

Its likely that none of the players mentioned in this discussion are ever going to make the majors.

jacksonianmarch · 07-14-2007, 11:37 AM

Rob, I see your point and certainly agree to a certain extent. But does anyone actually think Josh Papelbon has anything going for him? He throws 80mph with a deceptive delivery but nothing off speed to speak of. If you want to take the fight to scaff, use Youk vs Lugo to prove a point. Dont pick a battle over a guy who should never have been drafted to begin with.

AZBlue · 07-14-2007, 01:12 PM

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In other words, you still have missed the overall point in that you seem to sing the praises of terrible players if they are Latin and want white players who are performing well to be shown the door.

This is an exaggeration of Scaff's comments about the Latin players who are not performing. He has given examples of Latin players who were released who have not performed well, but who had more upside than Papelbon.

Also, we have to consider the limited number of visas available for the Red Sox to use for Latin players. This will inevitably result Latin players who the Red Sox do not believe will make it to the majors being released while less talented "organizational" American players are retained to "play catch with" the true prospects at each level of the minor league system.

RobZombie · 07-14-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

Rob, I see your point and certainly agree to a certain extent. But does anyone actually think Josh Papelbon has anything going for him? He throws 80mph with a deceptive delivery but nothing off speed to speak of. If you want to take the fight to scaff, use Youk vs Lugo to prove a point. Dont pick a battle over a guy who should never have been drafted to begin with.

Jax guys drafted in the 37th round are really just there to fill out rosters. I think that the chances are small that the younger Paps actually makes it to the majors. Even if you look at him from a purely statistical standpoint, his chances are not encouraging.

I'm just saying that you don't call for the release of guys that have played well no matter the extenuiating circumstances. Papelbon from a peripheral standpoint has been decent. What message does it send to the players if how well you play is irrelevant?

What Papelbon does have going for him is a deceptive delivery. The question then becomes what happens when players start to get used to him and/or he faces people with more talent and experience. No harm in finding out.

The most likely scenario is that he ends up in Lancaster next year, gets killed, demoted, and then released.

Rdsxmbnt · 08-02-2007, 11:39 PM

SP Jose Capellan is having a nice season for the Lowell Spinners.
47 IP, 37 hits, 7 BB, 47 K, 3.26 ERA, 1 HRA

9.0 K/9, 1.34 BB/9, 6.71 K/BB, 0.19 HR/9

scaffolds · 08-05-2007, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdsxmbnt

SP Jose Capellan is having a nice season for the Lowell Spinners.
47 IP, 37 hits, 7 BB, 47 K, 3.26 ERA, 1 HRA

9.0 K/9, 1.34 BB/9, 6.71 K/BB, 0.19 HR/9

I agree that Capellon its having a nice season and has outpitched Doubront, but the reports that i have seen his fastball needs some improvements.