The Top prospects in the Red Sox system. - Page 2 - Talksox

scaffolds · 08-25-2007, 06:20 PM

Someone Email me questioning why Jon Still was ranked so low (53) the reasoning its this. Still had a good season at Greenville and has played well in Lancaster, but Still its below average in all phases of catching (recieving, blocking pitches and arm) which means his future could only be as first basemen, however he its also below average as a defensive first baseman and while he has some pop with the bat its only adequate for the position.

UC9904 · 08-26-2007, 12:53 PM

Still is one of the better power hitting prospects in the Red Sox organization. Whether he has a definitive defensive position at this point in his career or not, it's a joke that he is ranked as low as he is. And there is zero reason why Adam Mills should AT LEAST be in the top 60...NOT in the 90's!

I'm the last person to question individuals' personal rankings, but some of the rankings of a few specific prospects are...to say it nicely...a little weird.

AZBlue · 08-26-2007, 03:23 PM

Re-read the criteria for Scaf's rankings. That might give you a better idea why they are not ranked higher. You obviouslyhave a different opinion than Scaf. I'm curious to know if you have ever seen Still or Mills play.

UC9904 · 08-26-2007, 05:00 PM

I don't care what his rankings criteria is. Placing Still at #53 is indefensible (and I'm not a Still fan in the least bit, and think he is overranked on soxprospects.com).

AZBlue · 08-26-2007, 09:36 PM

I'm still curious to know if you have ever seen Still or Mills play.

RobZombie · 08-26-2007, 10:21 PM

Obviously he hasn't. He's just another one of those guys who thinks that stats mean everything and at baseball's lower levels they can often mean very little.

Still's stats were strong in Greenville but a guy who has played three years at a baseball school should be putting up strong stats in the Sally League. In fact, the vast majority of guys who did well at baseball school's their junior year ended up in high-A for most of the year and the ones that did well, went to AA at some point. Bates played in the same conference. I'm not all that impressed with a guy who puts up a .923 OPS playing against guys that are often three years younger.

In Still's short time at Lancaster, you've seen a significant dip in his production and he's playing in a band-box.

Its way to early to tell, but Still seems to have all the earmarks of a low minors masher who ends up as a 24 year old in AA with mediocre numbers, and no position much like Pinkney, Natale, and Corsaletti. This despite killing pitching in the low-minors.

Mr Crunchy · 08-27-2007, 09:09 AM

jesus christ
is this everyone signed from A ball thru Pawtucket?

scaffolds · 08-27-2007, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Crunchy

jesus christ
is this everyone signed from A ball thru Pawtucket?

There are close to 200 players in the Red Sox system, so this list its actually about 50 % of them.

**schillingouttheks** · 08-27-2007, 05:56 PM

Scaff, what are your thoughts on Zak Farkes (if you've ever seen him play)? He played baseball at my high school and went to Harvard and broke the home run record, then re-broke his own record a year later. He's basically a minor deity at my school. Thanks!

scaffolds · 08-27-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by schillingouttheks

Scaff, what are your thoughts on Zak Farkes (if you've ever seen him play)? He played baseball at my high school and went to Harvard and broke the home run record, then re-broke his own record a year later. He's basically a minor deity at my school. Thanks!

The move to be catcher has benefit him, he has some power and a good arm, but not much more, his age its also a problem, he will be 25 yrs early next season, if the Sox don't re-sign Paniagua (A minor league free agent this fall) he will be Mark Wagner back up in Portland if not he be Still back up in Lancaster.

**schillingouttheks** · 08-27-2007, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by scaffolds

The move to be catcher has benefit him, he has some power and a good arm, but not much more, his age its also a problem, he will be 25 yrs early next season, if the Sox don't re-sign Paniagua (A minor league free agent this fall) he will be Mark Wagner back up in Portland if not he be Still back up in Lancaster.

Alrighty. Thanks!

Bosoxwest · 08-27-2007, 07:50 PM

Scaff, great job. Always fun and informative to see these kids put in some context. One guy jumped out at me, and I know you've always been high on him - Socolovich. His peripherals are not awe-inspiring in low-A - what stands out to you for his future? Make-up? Is he going to get stronger as he comes back from TJ? Good profile in the bullpen? Just curious.

scaffolds · 08-27-2007, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosoxwest

Scaff, great job. Always fun and informative to see these kids put in some context. One guy jumped out at me, and I know you've always been high on him - Socolovich. His peripherals are not awe-inspiring in low-A - what stands out to you for his future? Make-up? Is he going to get stronger as he comes back from TJ? Good profile in the bullpen? Just curious.

I don't believe that Socolovitch was back to 100 % early in the year. He it the type of a pitcher who could have a future either as a starter or a reliever, as a starter he is around 92-94 with his fastball and a good breaking pitch, as a reliever he is up to 97, however he needs to get stronger, for now I believe that the Sox will keep him as a starter and should be one the starters in Greenville in 2008.

example1 · 08-27-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by scaffolds

I don't believe that Socolovitch was back to 100 % early in the year. He it the type of a pitcher who could have a future either as a starter or a reliever, as a starter he is around 92-94 with his fastball and a good breaking pitch, as a reliever he is up to 97, however he needs to get stronger, for now I believe that the Sox will keep him as a starter and should be one the starters in Greenville in 2008.

Yeah dude, I don't care whether you're a 'real' scout, or a ' fake scout', whether you have fans at soxprospects.com or not, I appreciate your posts and feel that you are a welcome addition to this site. I like soxprospects, quite a bit actually because of their dilligence in updating and giving a good idea of where the system is at, but I don't see how that excludes me from liking your posts. Kudos.

riverside sluggers · 08-27-2007, 09:01 PM

Not surprised at all that catcher John Otness isnt in here. Ive seen him in several games up in Portland, quickly gave him the nickname of "Butterfingers". He also displayed bad batting skills. Just something thats been on my mind for the past week

Moving on. Scaff, what are your thoughts on Portland fan favorite Iggy Suarez? I say fan favorite becase he gets the most cheers when he is playing in the game. Obviously if he makes the majors it will just be as a utility infielder