A Realistic View at 2017 Part I

[Wade Boggs]

Is Pom the next Buch?

Yes. The deal should have not been made. DD could've backed out. He didn't do it. DD could have made two mistakes into one trade.

[moonslav59]

I suggested this near the end of last season but you and others objected.

Buch had runs of effectiveness and even dominance.

This guy is more like Henry Owens with a blip of success on his record.

Good thing we have so much starter depth!

Losing Clay you can handle. With Pomeranz being damaged goods is not.[/QUOTE]

I objected?

I was one of the most outspoken posters against the Pom trade right from the start.

[User Name?]

Oh man it's going to be so great once Pom gets his shit together and becomes an All-Star caliber pitcher here, just like Porcello before him. Buying my popcorn right now.

[Nick]

We don't know if $31M arm is coming back this year but we're all worried about the $4M man. And now we long for a guy that's owed $12.5M who DISAPPEARED LAST YEAR DURING CRITICAL STRETCH THAT FORCED THE SOX TO LOOK FOR EXACT STARTING PITCHING HELP.

Bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks.

DD was hired to win.

2016 Division Champs
2017 Why not wait and see what happens before you jump off the ledge.

[Fisk]

Oh man it's going to be so great once Pom gets his shit together and becomes an All-Star caliber pitcher here, just like Porcello before him. Buying my popcorn right now.

There is a big recency bias among redsox fans.

[Fisk]

We don't know if $31M arm is coming back this year but we're all worried about the $4M man. And now we long for a guy that's owed $12.5M who DISAPPEARED LAST YEAR DURING CRITICAL STRETCH THAT FORCED THE SOX TO LOOK FOR EXACT STARTING PITCHING HELP.

Bunch of Monday morning quarterbacks.

DD was hired to win.

2016 Division Champs
2017 Why not wait and see what happens before you jump off the ledge.

No reason to jump off the ledge if worst case scenario with both pitchers, which I doubt. We still have 4 solid starters.

[moonslav59]

There is a big recency bias among redsox fans.

True 'nuff!

[mvp 78]

Oh man it's going to be so great once Pom gets his shit together and becomes an All-Star caliber pitcher here, just like Porcello before him. Buying my popcorn right now.

Don't pop your kernels until the rollercoaster ride ends. He's only thrown over 100 innings as a starter once. Comparing him to Porcello is a huge slap in the face to Porcello's pedigree.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statsplits....on=0&split=8.1

[mvp 78]

There is a big recency bias among redsox fans.

The recency bias with Pom is the first half of 2016.

[Fisk]

The recency bias with Pom is the first half of 2016.

The recency bias is just not Pom it's any player who is struggling.

[mvp 78]

The recency bias is just not Pom it's any player who is struggling.

I agree. However, in the case of Pom, his career has been so wild that it's not fair to suggest that Sox fans are down on Pom just because of his bad 2nd half. If he had a longer track record of success than just 3 months, maybe there would be a point to the argument.

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[Fisk]

I think the biggest reason they are down on him is because of Espinoza. If he stays healthy( which is a big if ) I think he will be solid. Very good for a number 5 starter, but you don't trade a prospect like Espi for a number 5.

[jacksonianmarch]

Porcello's issue was performance. Pomeranz has a major health history

[Kimmi]

Yes. The deal should have not been made. DD could've backed out. He didn't do it. DD could have made two mistakes into one trade.

I didn't like giving up Espinoza for Pom, but that trade had to be done, IMO. We needed some stability in the 4 and 5 spots of our rotation, and Pom provided that.

That said, once reports came out about Pom's arm issues, whatever they were, Dombrowski perhaps should have backed out of the trade.

[harmony]

I didn't like giving up Espinoza for Pom, but that trade had to be done, IMO. We needed some stability in the 4 and 5 spots of our rotation, and Pom provided that.

That said, once reports came out about Pom's arm issues, whatever they were, Dombrowski perhaps should have backed out of the trade.

Should Dave Dombrowski have offered Michael Kopech instead of Anderson Espinoza when the Drew Pomeranz injury was revealed?

On July 11 Baseball America released its midseason prospect rankings with Espinoza at No. 15 and Kopech at No. 93:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minor...Cb1ZUj2EVO7.97

The Pomeranz trade came three days later.

BA's current preseason prospect rankings have Espinoza No. 21 and Kopech No. 32:

http://www.baseballamerica.com/minor...3BQFvUHjoK0.97

Baseball Prospectus has Espinoza No. 24 and Kopech No. 36:

http://www.baseballprospectus.com/ar...rticleid=31160

MLB Prospect Watch has Espinoza No. 25 and Kopech No. 16:

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2017?list=prospects