The Bullpen thread

[Kimmi]

Holds are more important than Saves to me. 1 Reliever comes in with a 99 % with no Runners on base the other in critical situations. With the hold situation you need a Strike thrower, walks or throwing to hitter counts will kill you.

I am not a fan of either the Hold or the Save stat.

[Kimmi]

But at the same time, it's not really fair to the bullpen guy if he comes in with the bases loaded and no one out, and induces a GIDP, and a run scores, and he be charged with anything.

Once again, DRA. It's a relatively new stat so it hasn't caugtht on yet (and may never catch on), but it takes all of that into account. Its creators know that giving up a run on a bases loaded GIDP is not the same as giving up a run on a 2 out, man on 1B double.

[Kimmi]

This is true. I wouldn't charge him anything for that. MLB has ppl to keep track of that though, i would think. If they have people to figure out a non-typical Save (tying run reaches the on-deck circle), they could figure this out.

One of the reasons that I'm not a fan of the Save stat. I remember Papelbon being charged with a blown save in a similar situation in the postseason.

[Bellhorn04]

One of the reasons that I'm not a fan of the Save stat. I remember Papelbon being charged with a blown save in a similar situation in the postseason.

Just plain stupid. The classic example for me is the blown save Rivera got tagged with in 2004 Game 5.

[moonslav59]

Team Relief Pitcher Rankings:

WAR
4.7 HOU
4.3 LAD
4.0 CLE
3.8 LAA
3.8 BOS
3.7 TOR
3.6 NYY

WHIP
1.10 LAD
1.15 CLE, CWS, HOU
1.16 LAA
1.19 TOR, Cubs
1.20 NYY
1.21 BOS

ERA-
57 CLE
64 BOS
72 LAD
74 AZ
75 NYY
76 Cubs
79 CWS


xFIP
3.45 HOU
3.52 CLE
3.64 LAD
3.70 AZ
3.82 BOS
3.85 Cubs
3.89 NYY

K/BB
3.8 LAD
3.7 HOU
3.6 LAA
3.3 CLE
3.1 TOT
3.1 BOS
2.9 AZ
2.8 CWS
2.7 NYY

[oldtimer]

Team Relief Pitcher Rankings:

WAR
4.7 HOU
4.3 LAD
4.0 CLE
3.8 LAA
3.8 BOS
3.7 TOR
3.6 NYY

WHIP
1.10 LAD
1.15 CLE, CWS, HOU
1.16 LAA
1.19 TOR, Cubs
1.20 NYY
1.21 BOS

ERA-
57 CLE
64 BOS
72 LAD
74 AZ
75 NYY
76 Cubs
79 CWS


xFIP
3.45 HOU
3.52 CLE
3.64 LAD
3.70 AZ
3.82 BOS
3.85 Cubs
3.89 NYY

K/BB
3.8 LAD
3.7 HOU
3.6 LAA
3.3 CLE
3.1 TOT
3.1 BOS
2.9 AZ
2.8 CWS
2.7 NYY

Where would we be without Kimbrell?

[notin]

Where would we be without Kimbrell?

Third place?

[Behindenemylines]

Considering that the Sox are missing key arms from their bullpen the production has been pretty good. T-burg is done for the year, and am not sure when or if Smith is going to pitch. With that said, not sure bullpen production can keep up this pace.

[StephenCurry30]

Joe Kelly to DL. well... that sucks

[SoxHop]

Joe Kelly to DL. well... that sucks

I just read that. That's huge. Workman up I think.

It's a good sign that Scott looked good last night.

im sure DD is after RP, but our bullpen is starting to take in water.

[moonslav59]

Man, these pen injuries are killing us.

I'm almost certain that a pen arm is a high priority at the deadline (or before).

[notin]

But at the same time, it's not really fair to the bullpen guy if he comes in with the bases loaded and no one out, and induces a GIDP, and a run scores, and he be charged with anything.

The reliever wouldn't be charged in that case....

[Larry Cook]

Kimbrel serving up meatballs in the 9th?

[Jasonbay44]

The reliever wouldn't be charged in that case....

In his hypothetical scenario of that stat, they would be.

[Larry Cook]

Why is a bad pitcher like abad still on this team?