Sox, Colon reach minor league deal

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by One Red Seat

And I will love him and pet him and hug him and squeeze him and I will call him George.

holy shit, I havent seen that in yrs. Great find

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by SchillingIsTheNatural

Who? Last I checked all the Yankees talent is already checked into the rotation / bullpen. Your best prospect (Chamberlain) is going to the bullpen...the rotation consists of Wang, Pettite, Mussina, Hughes, and Kennedy. Next in line is....Kei Igawa?

...sounds like the Yankees could use some depth.

We have 6 starting pitchers on the MLB team if you consider Joba will be starting by yrs end. We have a few other guys who will be emergency options like Igawa, Rasner and Karstens. Rasner at least pitched serviceably, Karstens was terrible and Igawa was...well awful. After the 6 aforementioned players and the 3 emergency options, there are 4 options waiting in the wings. Steven White would likely be the first. Followed by Alan Horne, Jeff Marquez and by midseason Humberto Sanchez. All MLB ready, all with powerful arsenals (althought Marquez is more like Wang) unlike the soft tossing emergency guys we have now.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

We have 6 starting pitchers on the MLB team if you consider Joba will be starting by yrs end. We have a few other guys who will be emergency options like Igawa, Rasner and Karstens. Rasner at least pitched serviceably, Karstens was terrible and Igawa was...well awful. After the 6 aforementioned players and the 3 emergency options, there are 4 options waiting in the wings. Steven White would likely be the first. Followed by Alan Horne, Jeff Marquez and by midseason Humberto Sanchez. All MLB ready, all with powerful arsenals (althought Marquez is more like Wang) unlike the soft tossing emergency guys we have now.

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

We have unproven but highly talented depth behind our rotation. Colon would have blocked that. I am glad we dont have him.

You said you have highly talented depth behind your rotation....were you talking about Igawa, Karstens, Rasner, White, Horne, Marquez, and Sanchez??

[Gom]

These guys are unproven and therefore cannot be seen as viable options, Jacko. Listen, my Yankee friend, our farm system has been shit. We had a dry spell for nine years. We got lucky in the draft and got Joba and Kennedy. Hughes was a no-brainer. Cashman is a terrible judge of pitching talent. We don't know about the kids yet, and that was all Oppenheimer anyways. Under Cashman's reign, we've had Weaver, Vazquez, Brown, Randy Johnson, and the return of the Rocket. Let's not forget his collassal error in choosing Pavano over Pedro, and his decision to let Santana go to the Mets for Kennedy, Cabrera, and a bar of soap. Last year he underbid for Matsuzaka, and overpaid for Igawa. Ted Lilly wanted to come back to the Yankees, pitches well against the Red Sox. We got Igawa. Lilly had a 3.83 ERA with a 1.14 WHIP. They would have cost about the same, but due to Lilly's salary instead of the posting fee, it would have been a small increase. So he saves money, and we get Igawa...he of the 6.25 ERA and the 1.67 WHIP. Lets not forget that Lilly threw over 200 IP. Instead, we watched the Red Sox hit 4 consecutive homers against Wright...and the bad pitching stories go on and on and on. His positives have been Moose. That's it. The likely fact is that most of these guys will not have successful major league careers. Marquez is a junkballer. Sanchez is an injury risk, so is Brackman, and so is Horne. Now, they may all pan out. How often does that happen? You're talking like these guys can come in now and be serviceable major league pitchers. Our rotation is as suspect as it's been in years. Hell, last year, going into spring training, our rotation was more stable.

I've said this before, stop reading the press clippings. The Yankees pitching is much, much weaker than you'd like to believe, and our GM is the most overpaid and overrated GM in the game. That's one thing he and his managing lackey, Torre, have in common.

[Gom]

Originally Posted by One Red Seat

And I will love him and pet him and hug him and squeeze him and I will call him George.

Ok, for those of you that are fans of literature, this is a reference to what famous story? If you don't know it, you have missed out on one of the great works of literature of all time.

[TheKilo]

Of Mice and Men.

[Gom]

Wow...you guys actually read up in New England, huh?

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by SchillingIsTheNatural

You said you have highly talented depth behind your rotation....were you talking about Igawa, Karstens, Rasner, White, Horne, Marquez, and Sanchez??

More about Horne and Sanchez, who IMO could be very good starters and even better relievers.

[jacksonianmarch]

Originally Posted by Gom

These guys are unproven and therefore cannot be seen as viable options

exactly the kind of attitude I expected out of you. Live for now, fuck tomorrow.

Jacko. Listen, my Yankee friend, our farm system has been shit. We had a dry spell for nine years. We got lucky in the draft and got Joba and Kennedy. Hughes was a no-brainer. Cashman is a terrible judge of pitching talent.

So the fact that our system has the best young pitching talent happened by accident?

We don't know about the kids yet, and that was all Oppenheimer anyways.

that was not all anybody. That was a joint effort between Cashman, Oppenheimer, Newman, Contreras, Eiland and a bunch of other people who made it happen.

Under Cashman's reign, we've had Weaver, Vazquez, Brown, Randy Johnson, and the return of the Rocket. Let's not forget his collassal error in choosing Pavano over Pedro

The collosal error was choosing Pavano period. Getting Petey would have been a collosal error as well. 15 mil to see him miss 2 of 4 seasons.

, and his decision to let Santana go to the Mets for Kennedy, Cabrera, and a bar of soap. Last year he underbid for Matsuzaka, and overpaid for Igawa.

We dont know what was actually offered for Santana. Speculation abounds. If it involved Hughes at all, I am glad we passed. In terms of Igawa, no qualms there. But in terms of DMats, he bid 35 mil, which is a mighty fine sum just to talk to someone. He just didnt know what lengths the sox would go to get him.

Ted Lilly wanted to come back to the Yankees, pitches well against the Red Sox. We got Igawa. Lilly had a 3.83 ERA with a 1.14 WHIP. They would have cost about the same, but due to Lilly's salary instead of the posting fee, it would have been a small increase. So he saves money, and we get Igawa...he of the 6.25 ERA and the 1.67 WHIP. Lets not forget that Lilly threw over 200 IP.

Choosing Igawa over Lilly was a mistake. That is not debatable.

Instead, we watched the Red Sox hit 4 consecutive homers against Wright...and the bad pitching stories go on and on and on. His positives have been Moose. That's it. The likely fact is that most of these guys will not have successful major league careers.

A. Wright was brought up too soon
B. He isnt even one of our top 15 pitching prospects.
C. He was on the 40 man, so he was the easy choice to start
D. You'll next see him as a reliever in the Bronx

Marquez is a junkballer.

Stop talking out of your ass. I have seen the Trenton team on multiple occasions last summer. Marquez throws low to mid 90s.

Sanchez is an injury risk, so is Brackman, and so is Horne. Now, they may all pan out. How often does that happen? You're talking like these guys can come in now and be serviceable major league pitchers. Our rotation is as suspect as it's been in years. Hell, last year, going into spring training, our rotation was more stable.

So going with young stud pitchers who have had success in their limited debuts is worse than going with middle of the road MLB veterans? Sanchez, Brackman and Horne are all injury risks as much as Mariano Rivera is. Its TJ surgery, everyone is having it. 90+% success rate. None of them have had any other significant injury history.

I've said this before, stop reading the press clippings. The Yankees pitching is much, much weaker than you'd like to believe, and our GM is the most overpaid and overrated GM in the game. That's one thing he and his managing lackey, Torre, have in common.

I stray from the press clippings and go right to the source. I also subscribe to a few sites to get some more in depth information and have seen a fair amount of these players play. I'll tell you what. The majority of the major press issues are off by a long shot. The ESPN guys like Keith Law are going off scouting reports dated 3-4 yrs back. Most of them have never seen the players they are condemning. Either way. As usual, you will trash every one of them until they hit the bigs and then you'll be their biggest fan when they make it. I understand that not all of them will, but the stock that we have now is something we havent had in a long long time.

[riverside sluggers]

The Sox have asked Colon to drop close to 20 pounds after seeing the shape he was in.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

More about Horne and Sanchez, who IMO could be very good starters and even better relievers.

You may want to see how Sanchez looks coming back from surgery before you count on him as highly talent depth behind your rotation. You also may want to see what Horne can do in AAA first.

[rician blast]

Originally Posted by riverside sluggers

The Sox have asked Colon to drop close to 20 pounds after seeing the shape he was in.

looks a little bit like Khadafi, sans mole:

[YAZMAN]

Originally Posted by Gom

Ok, for those of you that are fans of literature, this is a reference to what famous story? If you don't know it, you have missed out on one of the great works of literature of all time.

Do you want me to tell you about the rabbits again, George?

[YAZMAN]

Originally Posted by jacksonianmarch

We have unproven but highly talented depth behind our rotation. Colon would have blocked that. I am glad we dont have him.

You don't have depth, you have just enough to get the job done provided all plans go as well as expected.

[Mr Crunchy]

not to go off the mark here but i spit my coffee all over the key board remembering back to an igawa start last year

igawa was getting knocked around early and in the yank ingame thread jackson was telling us the 4 pitch arsenal igawa had and how he was figuring him for 175 ip and 14 wins.. as the game went on by the end of the 3rd inning igawa was down 7-1 and i recall jackson bellowing out
""THIS GUY SUCKS"" after his 1000 word essay on how wonderful an addition he would be..
no offense mj
just something that comes to mind every time i see you mention igawa and success in the same page....i expect big things from him this year...15 wins ez

i cant wait for april
this is the 1st college hoop season i just cant seem to get into
bc sucks pc sucks umass sucks uconn is ok but not a final 4 team
with no local interest and no real studs out there to follow im apathetic about one of my top 3 sports for the 1st time in my life.